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Atavachron
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Posted: August 10 2015 at 17:02 |
Big Kid Josie wrote:
OK, I am prepared to get flamed for this but: why so much Genesis love on this forum?
I actually love Genesis's work, particularly SEBTP and the 2 post-Gabriel albums before Hackett left---TOTT and WAW. I think they're a great 70's prog band and up there with Yes, ELP, Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Rush, et al. I get that Banks is a fine, elegant keyboardist, Collins a great prog drummer in their early days, and Hackett an original guitarist who made some beautiful, melancholy olde English ballads. I absolutely love Entangled, Blood on the Rooftops, Carpet Crawlers, Cinema Show, etc. I like Gabriel with Genesis, but actually like his early solo work even better. I don't like at all what Collins turned Genesis into, but I don't hold that against the band in their 70's prime either. I see them as 2 totally different bands, with Hackett and without him.
But I don't understand why they are lauded on this site above all those other fine 70's prog bands...can someone enlighten me? It's not that I don't think they're a great band, just not better than the others I mentioned above... |
Actually if you hang around here enough, Floyd, Yes and Tull get about as much love. And to be frank, Genesis, in many ways, were better than the others mentioned, so I can't blame people for the love. Plus remember they are practically an institution in Britain.
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HackettFan
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Posted: August 10 2015 at 16:55 |
^Don't forget that a lot of this love for Genesis was well after the fact. The most successful 'retro loved' prog band, IMHO.
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Posted: August 10 2015 at 16:42 |
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On a serious note, I think it's because they were complicated but still accessible. If that makes any sense. |
Kinda. But this question just came in a time exaclty were "Seeling England by the Pound" is almost passing Thick as a Brick in teh #2 and #3 positions... so... it kinda means something, right?
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Posted: August 10 2015 at 16:39 |
This is almost an impossible question because it is not about why I like/love Genesis, but why everyone else does too. My guess is that many like me discovered Prog through Genesis and thereby became the gold standard. I have always found their stature to be equivalent to Yes, but with better stories, better drama. Their playing is not quite as virtuoso-ish as ELP, but with more consistently better song(/instrumental) writing. Their song writing is equivalent in quality to Pink Floyd, but with better more intricate playing. I have always found their stature less than that of King Crimson Among Prog pundits, but there was a warmth to Genesis not found in KC (not at least until Wetton or Belew). Their instrumental work was more intricate than Jethro Tull. Rush is just plain different, nuff said about that.
Genesis were the first Prog band, to my knowledge, accrue a line tribute bands (unless we're counting the Beatles). This tends to indicate that they were quickly associated with a "golden age", most likely motivated by the sense of loss from PG's and to a lesser extent HF's departures. Genesis were also superior to many many other bands in terms of storytelling, but with their movement toward Pop came a movement away from that sort of storytelling, which brought a desire for the return of the old lore. Notice how many more references (like that of Hogweed and such) can be pulled out of Genesis material in a fashion that is widely recognizable across the PA spectrum.
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Posted: August 10 2015 at 16:25 |
On a serious note, I think it's because they were complicated but still accessible. If that makes any sense.
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Posted: August 10 2015 at 16:16 |
yeah Genesis did it all man... except sell records...
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Big Kid Josie
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Posted: August 10 2015 at 16:14 |
Welllll...I get that you're probably being facetious, but...From Genesis to Revelation came out in 69 after Crimson's ITCOTCK and at the same time as the first Yes album, Floyd's Ummagumma, and the Moody's OTTOAD. I would say it's the weakest among those prog albums.
Although they made a string of fine albums when they got their classic line-up together.
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Posted: August 10 2015 at 16:11 |
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Big Kid Josie
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Posted: August 10 2015 at 16:09 |
Yeah, I do find Genesis different from those other bands I mentioned. (I actually think all those bands are very different from each other, one of the great things about the early prog explosions.) So...they're more popular on this forum (or so it seems to me) because their version of being different appeals to more folks than those other bands, I guess...."Love is irrational", non-logical, etc.
It didn't seem like, at the time, Genesis was that popular in the 70's heydey. I mean, my friends and I dug them, but it was almost an unknown thing among other music-lovers back then...maybe they were too "olde english whimsy" for the States?
Not that popularity at the time says anything good or bad about a band. It just seems Genesis love is something of an after-the-fact thing/modern reappraisal...
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Posted: August 10 2015 at 16:08 |
Because they invented prog, silly!
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Posted: August 10 2015 at 15:47 |
because they were different than those bands you mentioned. The music is not simply symphonic like Yes, ELP and experimental like KC and not close to JT. The music has that special atmosphere that you don't find in those bands, dark, mysterious, religious and funny at the same time. But love is irrational, you know...
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Posted: August 10 2015 at 15:41 |
easy listening prog.. non-offensive.. ie... not challenging. Easy to build up a large fanbase.. oh wait.. they didn't do until they discovered their true talents as pop masters supreme. It wasn't that far a turn for them anyway.
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Posted: August 10 2015 at 15:36 |
Might have something to do with their penchant for excellent openers, drawing people in. That is the one thing I'll always give them.
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Posted: August 10 2015 at 15:33 |
hahhahah..
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Big Kid Josie
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Posted: August 10 2015 at 15:32 |
OK, I am prepared to get flamed for this but: why so much Genesis love on this forum?
I actually love Genesis's work, particularly SEBTP and the 2 post-Gabriel albums before Hackett left---TOTT and WAW. I think they're a great 70's prog band and up there with Yes, ELP, Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Rush, et al. I get that Banks is a fine, elegant keyboardist, Collins a great prog drummer in their early days, and Hackett an original guitarist who made some beautiful, melancholy olde English ballads. I absolutely love Entangled, Blood on the Rooftops, Carpet Crawlers, Cinema Show, etc. I like Gabriel with Genesis, but actually like his early solo work even better. I don't like at all what Collins turned Genesis into, but I don't hold that against the band in their 70's prime either. I see them as 2 totally different bands, with Hackett and without him.
But I don't understand why they are lauded on this site above all those other fine 70's prog bands...can someone enlighten me? It's not that I don't think they're a great band, just not better than the others I mentioned above...
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