Punk: A Logical Extension of Prog? |
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SteveG
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 09:12 | |||
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SteveG
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 09:09 | |||
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 07:19 | |||
You gotta love this place.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 07:12 | |||
I dig, I dig. |
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 07:08 | |||
Come on now - every surgical room would brighten up with a bit of John Cleese and funny shoes thrown into the mix. Focus a little more on the yang ya dig?
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 07:06 | |||
We can but remain eternally grateful you are not a surgeon by trade |
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 06:53 | |||
The first one was rather tongue-in-cheek matey
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 06:44 | |||
The second sentence quoted above I applaud heartily as for the first, you clearly emerged from a diabetic coma in the interim |
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 06:43 | |||
I love both as well Sam. I think the supposed "war" between the two is far more real in the mind of music journalists with a computer access than it is to those who actually lived through those years. I have some old school punk friends who certainly think so.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 06:42 | |||
Punk - a definite reaction to Prog.
Perhaps they're musicians who aren't technically adept, and the singers aren't trained vocalists, but they made a noise, and everyone heard it !! |
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Meltdowner
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 06:38 | |||
Two completely different music genres that I really like for completelly different reasons. I can't see the connection though
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 06:34 | |||
^Poor hair hygiene
In many ways you could say that punk rock was the new "prog rock" when it emerged. Sure they took bits and pieces from the 50s RnB scene and sped them up, but it was still a brand new sound - something that hadn't been done before (*cough* The Stooges *cough*). In that respect, they did the same as the proggers of 69 did when they progressed the rock template. Music doesn't need to be complex or hard to play in order to be cutting edge or indeed progressive. Edited by Guldbamsen - March 07 2015 at 06:35 |
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 06:13 | |||
Notwithstanding the engineered spin contributed by opportunists like Malcolm McLaren, Richard Hell, Anya Phillips et al what guiding beliefs or ideals (ethos) did you have an issue with that surrounded Punk? |
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richardh
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Posted: March 07 2015 at 05:37 | |||
WOW that's a really great post although my own experience growing up at the time was that punk was exciting because it had energy while New Wave was a bit of a yawn to me. I loved ELP at the time because they were exciting and energetic ( based admittedly on earlier albums not Works) and I saw much to like in The Sex Pistols for the same reasons. However the whole ethos that surrounded punk stunk to high heaven (imo) and New Wave as you suggest had the sort of commercial future that punk didn't.
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LearsFool
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Posted: March 06 2015 at 22:22 | |||
Marquee Moon got props from Stone because, as I mentioned earlier, the standard punk sound just was not there. The magazine also had a love-hate relationship with Blondie, being that while, again, not the usual punk, their albums did fluctuate in quality. Meanwhile, they trashed the self-titled releases from the New York Dolls and Suicide, were lukewarm towards VU, didn't even like Lou Reed's Transformer, let alone Berlin, and have even to this day ignored The Dictators. Horses and Ramones were the first times they ever gave any punk, let alone NYC punk, a favourable ear. Even then, once the Sex Pistols blew up England for a time, the mag still found itself playing catch-up for awhile, as is now custom for them.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: March 06 2015 at 22:07 | |||
Patti Smith, The Ramones, Blondie and Television all got very favorable reviews from RS at the time. As long as punk was from the NY scene, it received good reviews. I don't recall how RS responded to British punk, however. |
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LearsFool
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Posted: March 06 2015 at 21:56 | |||
Not from the Stone. It took a loooong time for the Stone to warm up to rock that didn't have any remnants of the blues in it.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: March 06 2015 at 21:53 | |||
Coming from Detroit, "punk" was old hat by 1976. The MC5 and Iggy and the Stooges, one politically motivated and the other anarchic and nihilistic, covered the same ground as the alleged punks but at much higher decibels. The New York scene was only fashionable because of free advertising from critics on The Village Voice and Rolling Stone.
P.S. and to the OPs query, no, punk was neither logical nor an extension of prog. It was the antithesis of prog, and also the corporate rock/AOR crap that was eating up more and more radio airtime.
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
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Svetonio
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Posted: March 06 2015 at 21:38 | |||
Just to illustrate how the punk movement was big in my country and how much Punk was popular in former Yugoslavia, here's a feature film Dečko koji Obećava ("The Promising Boy") about the punk movement in former Yugoslavia that was a big hit in cinemas across the country in 1981: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZddmkTQsZaE (English subtitles, drama genre). The members of Belgrade's post-punk band Šarlo Akrobata - already in Prog Archives as an "avant-prog" act what always make me laugh - are also starring in this film. Released in 1981, it was one of the first feature films with the theme of Punk ever filmed. Not that much feature 'punk-movies' was filmed before Yugoslav "The Promising Boy", as e.g. British film Jubilee with Adam Ant from 1977, Rock'n'Roll Highschool, an American comedy with The Ramones from 1979, Dutch movie Cha Cha with Lene Lovich and Nina Hagen from 1979 and the British film Breaking Glass with Hazel O'Connor from 1980.
In February 1981, one of the major record companies in former Yugoslavia, Jugoton, released a punk / post-punk compilation album titled Paket Aranžman ("Package Deal") with the songs of the most popular Yugoslav punk / post-punk bands; that album sold tremendously well to this day, as it reached a cult status. Both mentioned film and the compilation were a final "victory" of Punk aesthetics here. As a music genre, Punk in my country represented a complete break with the Progressive rock because young bands were completely turned into punk and (or) post-punk. Progressive rock in my country has not yet recovered from Punk hysteria then gripped the former Yugoslavia in late 70s / early 80s. A few days ago, a former Yugoslav punk rocker (who also starring with his band in "The Promising Boy" the movie), Vlada Divljan from "Idoli" ("Idols") died by cancer at 57. As a young man he was one of the pioneers of the punk movement here, and the government is seriously considering to declare a day of mourning in the capital of Serbia. That's how big youth movement it was here.
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sublime220
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Posted: March 06 2015 at 21:37 | |||
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There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark...
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