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Syzygy
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 16:49 |
Geck0 wrote:
Didn't I hear something about that t**t Rupert Murdoch buying out Dow Jones or something? I may have imagined it... |
Check the latest Private Eye; their take on it is hilarious.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Syzygy
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 16:47 |
NaturalScience wrote:
We had an adjustable rate mortgage for our last house - we sold it before the low rate term (5 years) expired. When we got the loan, the terms were as clear as could be - your rate will change after 5 years, and since rates are so low now, they will most likely be higher. Yet a lot of people seemed to just notice the low rate and got themselves buried in debt to afford overpriced houses - then cry foul, and "we didn't know!" when the term ends and they can't afford the payments AND, can't sell the house because the value dropped and they now have negative equity. I'm sorry, but you need to know what you're getting yourself into! Borrowing that much money and making a major purchase such as a home is a very non-trivial financial matter...might want to actually read that contract next time!! |
So creating, marketing and selling sub prime mortgages is perfectly acceptable, and if a hedge fund makes serious losses as a result they'll be bailed out with taxpayer's money anyway.
If, on the other hand, anybody falls for the hard sell and actually takes a sub prime mortgage, it's their own fault if interest rates rise and they can't meet payments.
I agree that people should read the small print very carefully before signing a mortgage agreement, but lenders should lso execise diligence. Those mortgages didn't spring spontaneously from the aether and they didn't sell themselves. Hedge funds were not blackmailed into creating them and estate agents (or realtors) did not draw them up with guns against their heads; why absolve them from any responsibility?
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Padraic
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 16:47 |
Geck0 wrote:
Didn't I hear something about that t**t Rupert Murdoch buying out Dow Jones or something? I may have imagined it...
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No, this happened. The venerable Wall Street Journal is now part of the NewsCorp family.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 16:45 |
Didn't I hear something about that t**t Rupert Murdoch buying out Dow Jones or something? I may have imagined it...
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Padraic
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 16:28 |
We had an adjustable rate mortgage for our last house - we sold it before the low rate term (5 years) expired. When we got the loan, the terms were as clear as could be - your rate will change after 5 years, and since rates are so low now, they will most likely be higher. Yet a lot of people seemed to just notice the low rate and got themselves buried in debt to afford overpriced houses - then cry foul, and "we didn't know!" when the term ends and they can't afford the payments AND, can't sell the house because the value dropped and they now have negative equity. I'm sorry, but you need to know what you're getting yourself into! Borrowing that much money and making a major purchase such as a home is a very non-trivial financial matter...might want to actually read that contract next time!!
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Syzygy
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 16:05 |
Speaking of international finance...
This stock market meltdown that has apparently been a more serious crisis than genocide in Rwanda for 's sake has been triggered because apparently reputable institutions have been lending loads of money to people with bad credit ratings, no assets etc (NINJA - No Income, No Job, no Assets) and now they're ing surprised that they can't pay it back when interest rates go up. So what happens? All those financiers who parrot 'you can't interfere with the market' and 'the unseen hand of the market will regulate things' expect central banks to bail them out - which in many cases the ing, ing s have actually done to the tune of billions of dollars. Is any of this going to help the poor s whose homes are going to be repossessed? Like arse it is. Effectively it's like going into a bookmakers, betting your entire salary on a 100/1 outsider and then expecting the bookmaker to refund you when the 3 legged donkey you backed finally limps past the finishing post about a week late. If the dozy s want to be unregulated they should accept the ing consequences of their bad decisions (despite frequent protestations that they know what they're doing). Let's see these so-called libertarian capitalists stick to their principles when it all goes up for a change !
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Leningrad
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Posted: August 15 2007 at 01:35 |
1800iareyay wrote:
I swear if I go to one more R-rated movie and hear some kid crying I'm going to go to jail. If you can't find a sitter, you stay home. Those are the rules. It's not my fault you think condoms are weird. If you don't take your little failure-spawn out of the theater right now I'll punt it out. Then I'll go to jail, because everyone will have used their cell phone cameras to document my "crime". People should have to fill out an application to have children |
I like you more with every post.
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Padraic
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Posted: August 14 2007 at 17:00 |
Heavyfreight wrote:
NaturalScience wrote:
Joke= "eugenics" sounds like "eurythmics" |
Only very tenuously |
Don't shoot the interpreter!
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Neil
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Posted: August 14 2007 at 16:53 |
NaturalScience wrote:
Joke= "eugenics" sounds like "eurythmics" |
Only very tenuously
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When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory.
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1800iareyay
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Posted: August 14 2007 at 11:48 |
darqdean wrote:
A few grains of rice in the salt shaker solves all problems. (honest, my gran told me). Then, a few well place grains of rice would solve all the worlds ills.
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I'm gonna sing the doom song. DoomDoomDoomDoomDoomDoomDoom.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: August 14 2007 at 11:40 |
NaturalScience wrote:
Joke= "eugenics" sounds like "eurythmics"
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I got the joke... I just didn't know they'd done a song called Belinda.
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Dean
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Posted: August 14 2007 at 10:54 |
A few grains of rice in the salt shaker solves all problems. (honest, my gran told me). Then, a few well place grains of rice would solve all the worlds ills.
Edited by darqdean - August 14 2007 at 11:03
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1800iareyay
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Posted: August 14 2007 at 10:18 |
call me Jake Spongebob? Kids TV use to be great. I grew up with the Looney Tunes, as well as the golden age of Nickelodeon. Hey Arnold, Rugrats, Rocko's Modern Life, Ren and Stimpy, and the king of kings, Doug. Now kids are fed processed crap that has none of the masterful subtlety of those shows (Rocko has so much adult humor it isn't funny. Actually, it is, it's hilarious). The only exception is the killer Fairly Oddparents, which is the only show that can stand up to those titans. Spongebob occasionally is funny, but the rest of Nick's programming has been creatively castrated by parents who are so afraid that their children might understand a well hidden adult joke and then the kids' heads'll explode. Morons. this is why people need to fill out applications to have kids. I'm rather proud of how I brought this full circle
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 14 2007 at 10:13 |
Not quite what I was looking for, but beautifully composed, nonetheless, I are yay. (Can I call you that?)
(It was actually a quote from a Spongebob episode. Go ahead and rant about spongebob's stupidity, now.)
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1800iareyay
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Posted: August 14 2007 at 10:11 |
Shakespeare wrote:
So how about those salt shakers, eh?
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God, those shakers! You clean them. then you leave them for three days to dry, then you put salt in them, and it sticks because it's still wet. What kind of Hanukkah is that? "Yea, and the shaker was wet for eight days, and the Israelites did praise the Lord". Then we they do work, you barely tip the thing and a volcano of sodium erupts like Mt. Vesuvius. Now, my hands are gonna shake for a week just because I tipped it one half degree too far. Why can't some engineer fix that . All you have to do is make the holes smaller! How hard is that? No wonder we can't build a proper levee for New Orleans. Does that satisfy you?
Edited by 1800iareyay - August 14 2007 at 10:25
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 14 2007 at 10:06 |
So how about those salt shakers, eh?
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1800iareyay
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Posted: August 14 2007 at 10:03 |
People aren't born stupid, but if they're being dragged into R-rated films at an early age, it doesn't bode well. These are the kids who never read and their parents let them get away with everything, so that when they hit the real world they fail miserably.
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Padraic
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Posted: August 14 2007 at 09:51 |
Joke= "eugenics" sounds like "eurythmics"
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: August 14 2007 at 08:07 |
Who's Belinda? Is Jim secretly hiding his true identity?
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Dean
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Posted: August 14 2007 at 07:43 |
Belinda - the best thing they ever did - it was all down hill from there.
Jim Garten wrote:
darqdean wrote:
People aren't born stupid - their lifestyle, environment, education and society makes them stupid. We are still living in a victorian world geared to creating worker-drones in a post-industrial age that does not need them. | There's also the argument that in the past there would be a large mechanised war every 20 years or so to 'thin' the population down a little - who'd be the ones on the front lines...? The working classes - millions of them... Of course I'm not seriously advocating eugenics (the whole point of this thread is irrational ranting after all ) and of course you're right in that social conditioning & nurture rather than nature creates what could loosely be referred to as the red-top tabloid classes... they just get on my nerves, that's all I'm not a snob, honest... |
I rant against the system and have a chip on both shoulders
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