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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 12:20 |
Ice in a cup of tea?
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Jim Garten
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 12:16 |
Geck0 wrote:
Tea would be lovely given you're a woman and that is therefore your job... Milk no sugar, ta muchly! |
James - you do like the thin ice, don't you?
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 12:12 |
Tea would be lovely. Milk no sugar, ta muchly!
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Wilcey
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Posted: August 23 2007 at 12:07 |
********NEW RANT*****
I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...I WILL NOT RISE TO THE BAIT...
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More tea anyone?
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Jim Garten
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Posted: August 22 2007 at 03:10 |
Luckily, most retailers in this country no longer accept cheques, but they still insist on accepting coupons cut from old persons' magazines ("Wee & Cabbage Weekly" or some such...), so whereas we don't get the cheque queue, we do get people waiting until the cashier has rung up & totalled the bill, then producing a wad of coupons, most of which are out of date and/or irrelevant, in order to get 3 pence off a can of cat food... then they have to work out how to use the chip & PIN machine, by which time the brain dead 3 year old drone of a cashier needs his nappy changed.
You've never got an Uzi when you want one, have you?
Syzygy wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
OK - just a quick rant. Pete Docherty! How the hell has he avoided prison - this is a guy who is constantly being arrested on charges of class A drug possession (most recently yesterday), yet he only gets warned that if this continues, he may face prison, yet a friend of mine was arrested for possession, 1st offence & spent 4 months inside! Why is Pete Docherty not in ing prison? | I don't particularly have a problem with Pete Doherty. As a fan of Lou Reed, Iggy Pop, Nick Cave and Shane MacGowan I can hardly hold his lifestyle against him. Having said that, I don't understand why he's rated so highly, either as a performer or a songwriter (the guy's not totally talentless, but there's nothing I can see to elevate him above plenty of other indie scene hopefuls of recent years) - at least the wasters I mentioned had made some decent music while they were self destructing. |
Believe me Chris, I have no problem with his lifestyle; the problem I have is the sheer injustice when one person (not in the public view) gets to stay at one of the Queen's hotels for a first offence, whereas the worst that PD seems to get for repeat offending is a dodgy picture of himself on the front page of yet another tabloid.
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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Padraic
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 14:19 |
No offense to the ladies, but invariably it's a woman whipping out the checkbook at the supermarket. Absolutely kills me too- I mean, we have debit cards now. Let's step into the 21st century, shall we? Thankfully my wife does not participate in such nonsense. We use a credit card where we get cash back for our grocery store purchases.
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Dean
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 14:12 |
mystic fred wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
OK - just a quick rant.
Pete Docherty!
How the hell has he avoided prison - this is a guy who is constantly being arrested on charges of class A drug possession (most recently yesterday), yet he only gets warned that if this continues, he may face prison, yet a friend of mine was arrested for possession, 1st offence & spent 4 months inside!
Why is Pete Docherty not in ing prison? |
££££££££ might have something to do with it!
no judge would put him in prison - they'd have a lot of fun with him in there...
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because they haven't got a prison where the bars are close enough together - it true, he just walks straight through normal ones, a mate down the pub told me. Honest.
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Tapfret
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 14:03 |
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Syzygy
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 13:26 |
Jim Garten wrote:
OK - just a quick rant.
Pete Docherty!
How the hell has he avoided prison - this is a guy who is constantly being arrested on charges of class A drug possession (most recently yesterday), yet he only gets warned that if this continues, he may face prison, yet a friend of mine was arrested for possession, 1st offence & spent 4 months inside!
Why is Pete Docherty not in ing prison? |
I don't particularly have a problem with Pete Doherty. As a fan of Lou Reed, Iggy Pop, Nick Cave and Shane MacGowan I can hardly hold his lifestyle against him. Having said that, I don't understand why he's rated so highly, either as a performer or a songwriter (the guy's not totally talentless, but there's nothing I can see to elevate him above plenty of other indie scene hopefuls of recent years) - at least the wasters I mentioned had made some decent music while they were self destructing.
What I have a problem with is the press coverage. Every time Pete Doherty ends up on the front pages (and he's on the front page of the Evening Standard today) it sends out a clear message: "completely yourself up on class A drugs and you too could be a critically acclaimed rock star with a supermodel girlfriend." Not, perhaps, the greatest deterrent of recent years...
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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The Whistler
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 04:32 |
stonebeard wrote:
You do know about the coal-stove Moogs, right? |
Oh, right, right...
This reminds me of the failed Moody Noobs "project" in which we tried to, ecologically soundly, record a non-electric album. Which meant not devices to use electricity to capture the sounds we made.
Of course, considering the sonic mess, I'm glad nothing survived...
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"There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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stonebeard
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 04:27 |
You do know about the coal-stove Moogs, right?
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The Whistler
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 04:26 |
stonebeard wrote:
mystic fred wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
What upsets me is all these bigwigs with cash coming out their asses quivering in fear and asking "Whatever will we do if the market crashes!?!" As if human beings cannot sustain life without gasoline for their car and a cushy job behind a desk. We lived for thousands of years without these things, we can do it again. Stock up on nonperishables and start hunting in that thicket of woods behind you're really f**king big house. |
last time this happened in the 30's people were jumping from skyscrapers or forced to live in central park - or are these stories a myth?
good point - though unless you were a Scout many "survival" skills are unknown to most people, it doesn't take much to damage the thin membrane holding civilisation together -
without electricity there would be hardship, without "gasoline" there would be severe hardship, and without clean water survival would be impossible - in any of these circumstances anarchy, looting and the law of the jungle rules
it happened here just last month..
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Eat food from tin can, take water, create a fire, boil the water in tin can = sterilized water
I'd welcome a situation like this. We've been living too comfortably for too long, and I always feel more alive after doing something constructive like building a fire. The problem in a situation like this would not be water (rain's good for that, unless your in the desert), but food. If nonperishables aren't nearby, and you don't live in the wilderness, you may be in a tough situation. But you know, it probably will never even come close to a situation like this.
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Uh, you DO realize that without electricity, we'd have nothing to power our Moog synthasizer console units, right?
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"There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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stonebeard
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 04:19 |
mystic fred wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
What upsets me is all these bigwigs with cash coming out their asses quivering in fear and asking "Whatever will we do if the market crashes!?!" As if human beings cannot sustain life without gasoline for their car and a cushy job behind a desk. We lived for thousands of years without these things, we can do it again. Stock up on nonperishables and start hunting in that thicket of woods behind you're really f**king big house. |
last time this happened in the 30's people were jumping from skyscrapers or forced to live in central park - or are these stories a myth?
good point - though unless you were a Scout many "survival" skills are unknown to most people, it doesn't take much to damage the thin membrane holding civilisation together -
without electricity there would be hardship, without "gasoline" there would be severe hardship, and without clean water survival would be impossible - in any of these circumstances anarchy, looting and the law of the jungle rules
it happened here just last month..
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Eat food from tin can, take water, create a fire, boil the water in tin can = sterilized water I'd welcome a situation like this. We've been living too comfortably for too long, and I always feel more alive after doing something constructive like building a fire. The problem in a situation like this would not be water (rain's good for that, unless your in the desert), but food. If nonperishables aren't nearby, and you don't live in the wilderness, you may be in a tough situation. But you know, it probably will never even come close to a situation like this.
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mystic fred
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 04:07 |
stonebeard wrote:
What upsets me is all these bigwigs with cash coming out their asses quivering in fear and asking "Whatever will we do if the market crashes!?!" As if human beings cannot sustain life without gasoline for their car and a cushy job behind a desk. We lived for thousands of years without these things, we can do it again. Stock up on nonperishables and start hunting in that thicket of woods behind you're really f**king big house. |
last time this happened in the 30's people were jumping from skyscrapers or forced to live in central park - or are these stories a myth?
good point - though unless you were a Scout many "survival" skills are unknown to most people, it doesn't take much to damage the thin membrane holding civilisation together -
without electricity there would be hardship, without "gasoline" there would be severe hardship, and without clean water survival would be impossible - in any of these circumstances anarchy, looting and the law of the jungle rules
it happened here just last month..
Edited by mystic fred - August 21 2007 at 04:11
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mystic fred
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 03:59 |
Jim Garten wrote:
OK - just a quick rant.
Pete Docherty!
How the hell has he avoided prison - this is a guy who is constantly being arrested on charges of class A drug possession (most recently yesterday), yet he only gets warned that if this continues, he may face prison, yet a friend of mine was arrested for possession, 1st offence & spent 4 months inside!
Why is Pete Docherty not in ing prison? |
££££££££ might have something to do with it!
no judge would put him in prison - they'd have a lot of fun with him in there...
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Jim Garten
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 03:52 |
OK - just a quick rant.
Pete Docherty!
How the hell has he avoided prison - this is a guy who is constantly being arrested on charges of class A drug possession (most recently yesterday), yet he only gets warned that if this continues, he may face prison, yet a friend of mine was arrested for possession, 1st offence & spent 4 months inside!
Why is Pete Docherty not in ing prison?
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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stonebeard
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 17:08 |
What upsets me is all these bigwigs with cash coming out their asses quivering in fear and asking "Whatever will we do if the market crashes!?!" As if human beings cannot sustain life without gasoline for their car and a cushy job behind a desk. We lived for thousands of years without these things, we can do it again. Stock up on nonperishables and start hunting in that thicket of woods behind you're really f**king big house.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 17:07 |
Ah, I thought I had heard it somewhere. I thought it was convenient how all these problems started after he got involved. I blame him, even if he has nothing to do with it.
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Syzygy
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 17:07 |
NaturalScience wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
So creating, marketing and selling sub prime mortgages is perfectly acceptable, and if a hedge fund makes serious losses as a result they'll be bailed out with taxpayer's money anyway.
No, this was despicable, if companies decide to give out bad loans to people who have no business getting credit, they should bear the burden of it. Some of this is happening, the company who gave me my aforementioned ARM is now bankrupt.
If, on the other hand, anybody falls for the hard sell and actually takes a sub prime mortgage, it's their own fault if interest rates rise and they can't meet payments.
If I had stayed in my house beyond the term and the interest rate rose such that I couldn't afford the payment, who would I have to blame? The terms were laid out to me in very clear language. I'll grant that there may have been shady practices and if there was outright deception than lawsuits and or prosecution should be pursued for those responsible. But I guess my sympathy only runs so deep...what happened to caveat emptor?
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We are in agreement that the subprime market was just a horrible idea, much like the savings & loan problems of ~15 years ago. The problem is our (USA) economy has become too dependent on "loose" credit.
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Similar things have happened over here, and look set to happen again (mortgages are becoming increasingly - and IMO unrealistically - generous as house prices continue to rise almost unabated).
What I really object to is the way that the institutions who clamour loudest for freedom from regulation and government interference get bailed out by central banks when they screw up, partly because pension funds and the like have invested in them. Here in the UK, incidentally, the bank of England quite rightly left them to sort themselves out; it's been a different story elsewhere in the EU.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
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Padraic
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 16:55 |
Syzygy wrote:
So creating, marketing and selling sub prime mortgages is perfectly acceptable, and if a hedge fund makes serious losses as a result they'll be bailed out with taxpayer's money anyway.
No, this was despicable, if companies decide to give out bad loans to people who have no business getting credit, they should bear the burden of it. Some of this is happening, the company who gave me my aforementioned ARM is now bankrupt.
If, on the other hand, anybody falls for the hard sell and actually takes a sub prime mortgage, it's their own fault if interest rates rise and they can't meet payments.
If I had stayed in my house beyond the term and the interest rate rose such that I couldn't afford the payment, who would I have to blame? The terms were laid out to me in very clear language. I'll grant that there may have been shady practices and if there was outright deception than lawsuits and or prosecution should be pursued for those responsible. But I guess my sympathy only runs so deep...what happened to caveat emptor?
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We are in agreement that the subprime market was just a horrible idea, much like the savings & loan problems of ~15 years ago. The problem is our (USA) economy has become too dependent on "loose" credit.
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