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dr prog 
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 Posted: October 18 2013 at 19:34 |
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Ageism in the prog community is the very antithesis of what prog represents. The word "prog" should imply "progress". How can music move forward if we keep looking backward as though we've already left behind our potential to create new masterpieces? That, my friends, is regressive, not progressive. Don't throw away the classics by any means, but don't put them on an inflated pedestal. You miss out on the amazing things going on in today's music scene. And there is some truly amazing stuff going on today. Some of it better than the classic stuff by miles in my opinion. After stating that observation that I hope was communicated as a humble thought, I'm going to start a fight by interjecting my opinion of such examples, because that's the proper social convention for posting on the internet. The new Haken album, Riverside's last two, the new Anglagard album, and Discipline's most recent album are examples that have come out within the past 5 years that I like better than the ENTIRE YES DISCOGRAPHY. There, I said it. Not trolling either. And I'm not sorry. Commence bashing  |
There's no such thing as music moving forward. It's the most silly thing I've ever heard  . How is inventing a new style of music moving forward? You listen to an old prog song and many of them can be listened so many times and are still enjoyable to listen to. It's all about the composition. That's why it is called progressive rock. The songs keep going. New wave prog is on the completely wrong tangent. They can barely write a melody, they are influenced by so many wrong bands and they have completely lost the concept of what progressive rock is really about 
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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dr wu23
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Posted: October 18 2013 at 19:23 |
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Speaking of "modern prog'......is there a cut off date for it to be 'modern'? When did modern prog actually begin?
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dr prog
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Posted: October 18 2013 at 19:20 |
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
While I think it's kind of silly for everyone to be attacking Dr Prog for his opinion
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No it's silly because he's a troll trying to provoke a reaction, which is what he got. |
Well I honestly hardly like music post 1983. So I'm not lying lol
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Posted: October 18 2013 at 19:12 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
While I think it's kind of silly for everyone to be attacking Dr Prog for his opinion
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No it's silly because he's a troll trying to provoke a reaction, which is what he got.
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: October 18 2013 at 19:00 |
While I think it's kind of silly for everyone to be attacking Dr Prog for his opinion (aren't we all opinionated buggers when it comes to our beloved prog?) to write off everything "modern" (post 1989 as per the OP's definition in this thread) seems like a crazy way to limit yourself from discovering some great music. If I closed up shop in 1989 I'd never have discovered Devil Doll, Thinking Plague, Primus, Asgard, Anglagard, Anekdoten, Landberk, Echolyn, Spock's Beard...I'll admit I don't run into much prog from the past 10 years that blows me away, but you gotta keep your ears open! 2013 is an incredible time to be a prog fan, not only do we have the PA database to explore...but just about any obscure prog album you might want to check out is available on youtube. When I was getting into prog, you looked at the album cover, checked out the equipment list for the keyboard player hoping to find a mellotron or a Moog, looked if there were any songs longer than 7 minutes, plunked down your $$$ and rolled the dice.
"A mind is like a parachute, it doesn't work if it isn't open" - Frank Zappa
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dr prog
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Posted: October 18 2013 at 18:57 |
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spocks beard are terrible lol
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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dr wu23
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Posted: October 18 2013 at 17:24 |
Well.....at least you are consistent about your lack of knowledge regarding progressive rock.
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Posted: October 18 2013 at 15:47 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
timbo wrote:
I think to a large extent, it depends on when you started getting into prog.
As a teenager in the late seventies, I came to prog through Genesis, Yes etc. (admittedly slightly past their golden age, but soon picked up their back catalogues). I therefore have an emotional attachment to them that I don't have to modern prog.
While I have enjoyed discovering modern band like Big Big Train and Moon Safari, I don't have the same connection with them. I can enjoy listening to them and appreciate the music, but it doesn't "grab me" like the 70s bands I grew up with.
Probably younger listeners will have the same experience - what they got into as teenagers will have the emotional connection that earlier/later bands don't have. Not to say one is better or worse than the other, it's just the bond isn't quite there. |
Good point. I'm definitely a classic prog guy...perhaps because that was the music I grew up on? Maybe? I don't know and I really don't care. I have very few "modern prog" bands in my collection but not because I turn my nose up at anything released after September 24, 1974  It's simply a function that the sound I enjoy the most is rooted in classic prog so when a band like Anglagard showed up with mellotrons, analog gear, and a writing style that explored the classic prog vocabulary at the forefront, it spoke to me in a way that modern prog bands with digital instruments never did. I have tried out some modern prog that my PA brothers and sisters rave about on youtube - but it get's a very lukewarm "it's good" reception and nothing like the obsessive insanity that I have for classic prog (or more recent bands that worship/emulate that era).
So while it's not a prejudice against modern prog, probability theory tells me I'm better served spending my precious time exploring the classic prog goldmine. I get way more excited about the prospect of hearing an unknown French prog band from '75 for the first time than I ever get about a pending 2013 release  |
Have you tried the band Astra? Not sure if they would appeal to you or not, but I believe that they use all authentic old equipment and recording technologies.
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Thanks much for the tip...I read your review of "The Weirding" yesterday and was intrigued...I'm giving the album a spin or two now - TGFYoutube |
Let us know what you think. I am curious to hear your thoughts on them.
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Posted: October 18 2013 at 15:45 |
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The "modern" bands I like? They are either even further removed from the classic '60s/'70s prog rock bands than Marillion, DT and their ilk probably being more avantgarde than prog. (e. g. The Boredoms) Or they're very overtly retro. (e. g. Causa Sui)
Pretty weird actually.
Edited by Toaster Mantis - October 18 2013 at 15:54
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Posted: October 18 2013 at 15:33 |
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I love much more of the old than the new. But that doesn't mean I don't love some of the new. Some of it is just as mind-blowing as the stuff I grew up on. For example, give me Transatlantic or Neal Morse any time, any day. Their music is every bit as rich, complex, virtuosic and melodic as anything written 40 years ago.
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: October 18 2013 at 15:25 |
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My own position on this is rather complex, and I wager that right now I'm too exhausted to really explain it. Stay tuned.
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Posted: October 18 2013 at 12:31 |
Love this post and love that people can love their modern prog bands.
I really want to hear modern prog that is both innovative, harmonically tonal with modal experimentation, and spiritually "normative" -- in the way Yes, ELP and others are. It seems you either get one or the other with modern prog: kind of dark, bordering on the edge of obvious drug culture music, or more mainstream musically but having good messages. I bought Sleepytime Gorilla Museum when I think their 2nd CD came out, but not really into that school much anymore. I liked a lot of 5UU material but not their more experimental stuff. I think they're the best when they sound most like a Yes variation =) Best bands I've heard recently were Real Estate and Tame Impala.
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: October 18 2013 at 11:31 |
rushfan4 wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
timbo wrote:
I think to a large extent, it depends on when you started getting into prog.
As a teenager in the late seventies, I came to prog through Genesis, Yes etc. (admittedly slightly past their golden age, but soon picked up their back catalogues). I therefore have an emotional attachment to them that I don't have to modern prog.
While I have enjoyed discovering modern band like Big Big Train and Moon Safari, I don't have the same connection with them. I can enjoy listening to them and appreciate the music, but it doesn't "grab me" like the 70s bands I grew up with.
Probably younger listeners will have the same experience - what they got into as teenagers will have the emotional connection that earlier/later bands don't have. Not to say one is better or worse than the other, it's just the bond isn't quite there. |
Good point. I'm definitely a classic prog guy...perhaps because that was the music I grew up on? Maybe? I don't know and I really don't care. I have very few "modern prog" bands in my collection but not because I turn my nose up at anything released after September 24, 1974 It's simply a function that the sound I enjoy the most is rooted in classic prog so when a band like Anglagard showed up with mellotrons, analog gear, and a writing style that explored the classic prog vocabulary at the forefront, it spoke to me in a way that modern prog bands with digital instruments never did. I have tried out some modern prog that my PA brothers and sisters rave about on youtube - but it get's a very lukewarm "it's good" reception and nothing like the obsessive insanity that I have for classic prog (or more recent bands that worship/emulate that era).
So while it's not a prejudice against modern prog, probability theory tells me I'm better served spending my precious time exploring the classic prog goldmine. I get way more excited about the prospect of hearing an unknown French prog band from '75 for the first time than I ever get about a pending 2013 release |
Have you tried the band Astra? Not sure if they would appeal to you or not, but I believe that they use all authentic old equipment and recording technologies.
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Thanks much for the tip...I read your review of "The Weirding" yesterday and was intrigued...I'm giving the album a spin or two now - TGFYoutube
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WeepingElf
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Posted: October 18 2013 at 10:47 |
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I got into prog in the late 80s, when I discovered Rush and Marillion - i.e., the then-current top players. Since then, I have been following what was going on in prog at the time, but also discovered the classics. The classics occupy a special place in my heart because they laid the foundations without which no prog could exist, and created some masterpieces which still stand out as achievements of lasting value, but the focus of my interest has always been on new progressive rock bands and their music.
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Posted: October 18 2013 at 07:30 |
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If Spock's Beard produce 'plastic unmelodic poo' I'll eat my organic unmelodic poo..........
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dr prog
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Posted: October 18 2013 at 07:22 |
Horizons wrote:
Padraic wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Modern prog lacks melody, character and authenticity. |
Wrong, wrong, and wrong. |
He trolls and says the same thing every chance he can get. |
If it was quality I'd be rating it. It's plastic unmelodic poo
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Posted: October 18 2013 at 07:04 |
Neo-Romantic wrote:
Ageism in the prog community is the very antithesis of what prog represents. The word "prog" should imply "progress". How can music move forward if we keep looking backward as though we've already left behind our potential to create new masterpieces? That, my friends, is regressive, not progressive. |
Edited by Svetonio - October 18 2013 at 07:08
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The Mystical
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Posted: October 18 2013 at 03:38 |
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I personally don't choose music by its era. Each era contains music that I like and music that I don't like (though I tend to like any music if I give it a good chance), even if there are some periods of music that contain lots of my favourite music.
Much of my favourite music comes from the years:
1972
1973
1978
1980
1993
2002
2008
2011
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I am currently digging:
Hawkwind, Rare Bird, Gong, Tangerine Dream, Khan, Iron Butterfly, and all things canterbury and hard-psych. I also love jazz!
Please drop me a message with album suggestions.
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Posted: October 18 2013 at 01:10 |
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Neo-Romantic
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Posted: October 18 2013 at 01:04 |
Ageism in the prog community is the very antithesis of what prog represents. The word "prog" should imply "progress". How can music move forward if we keep looking backward as though we've already left behind our potential to create new masterpieces? That, my friends, is regressive, not progressive. Don't throw away the classics by any means, but don't put them on an inflated pedestal. You miss out on the amazing things going on in today's music scene. And there is some truly amazing stuff going on today. Some of it better than the classic stuff by miles in my opinion. After stating that observation that I hope was communicated as a humble thought, I'm going to start a fight by interjecting my opinion of such examples, because that's the proper social convention for posting on the internet. The new Haken album, Riverside's last two, the new Anglagard album, and Discipline's most recent album are examples that have come out within the past 5 years that I like better than the ENTIRE YES DISCOGRAPHY. There, I said it. Not trolling either. And I'm not sorry. Commence bashing
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