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If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen....
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Well, at least this two guys  GREWOLDERHTP and ADELIS  have just vanished.

Something good came out of this
They are in the list I posted earlier (user IDs 42004 and 42704) - he's from Lazio and he's an arsehole.
 
 
I deleted them this afternoon in the mass-block deletions I did (read the date-stamps in my post).


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Well, at least this two guys  GREWOLDERHTP and ADELIS  have just vanished.

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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I love when Dean and Ivan fight. It's nice not to be involved in an argument for once.


I believe you can understand why I don't feel comfortable any more here.}

I should had never started this thread, because when I start one, I always loose

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I'm not fighting - I asked questions, Iván answered them. The end.
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I love when Dean and Ivan fight. It's nice not to be involved in an argument for once.


I believe you can understand why I don't feel comfortable any more here.}

I should had never started this thread, because when I start one, I always loose

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Come now, there's nothing wrong with losing. It builds character.
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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I love when Dean and Ivan fight. It's nice not to be involved in an argument for once.


I believe you can understand why I don't feel comfortable any more here.}

I should had never started this thread, because when I start one, I always loose

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I love when Dean and Ivan fight. It's nice not to be involved in an argument for once.
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Points: 19535 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2012 at 12:02
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Why didn't you bring this to our attention weeks ago?

1.- Because I thought everything was solved

2.- Because you have stated repeatedly you can't do a thing with trolls.
 
This is me not doing a thing with trolls so far this year:
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...and I did the same thing in 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008....
 
So yeah: I can't do a thing with trolls,I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, I can't do a thing with trolls, 
 
... but I still try. Stern Smile 

As you know, I've not been here for some time (Except to check suggestions)  because I no longer feel comnfortable on the forum, and just found this and it's great.....But I remembered the case of the guy who sent some compilations to the top 20, and the information that nothing could be done
 
 
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:


3.- I notified about two of them and nothing was done

Iván
How, where and to whom?

Quote Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M

The users

GREWOLDERHTP and ADELIS




Have similar ratings to almost the same rare albums

Seem like trolls to me 

Iván

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=85724&PN=4


It's still the last message in the thread (Or was until yesterday)

Iván
 




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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2012 at 11:50
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Why didn't you bring this to our attention weeks ago?

1.- Because I thought everything was solved

2.- Because you have stated repeatedly you can't do a thing with trolls.
 
This is me not doing a thing with trolls so far this year:
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...and I did the same thing in 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008....
 
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... but I still try. Stern Smile 
 
 
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:


3.- I notified about two of them and nothing was done

Iván
How, where and to whom?
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Originally posted by Battlestations Battlestations wrote:

Hi all,

Since we were directly mentioned in the first post, we'd like to specify that we didn't have anything to do with the ratings abuse and manipulation that took place over the last week or so. Just so that's clear.

Cheers

No my friend, it's not you.

There are fans from several bands who always do this kind of things.

The bands are never responsible, we all know that

Cheers

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Hi all,

Since we were directly mentioned in the first post, we'd like to specify that we didn't have anything to do with the ratings abuse and manipulation that took place over the last week or so. Just so that's clear.

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Just in case, I received this mail yesterday

Quote Hi Iván,
 
I am sorry to tell you that Erik has had his page removed from ProgArchives.
 
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Dorinde

I don't even know how he did it

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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

 
Than you for  taking the time to clear that up. Could you do this in future without larger font and bold type?

That's the way I write to highlight sections SD

I hope you accept my style.

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I find it rather irritating but if you must use it you must.
Live and let live, so  they say.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

 
Than you for  taking the time to clear that up. Could you do this in future without larger font and bold type?

That's the way I write to highlight sections SD

I hope you accept my style.

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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

...not strange (really)
Maybe not.Tongue
I suppose I'm saying that if it was my site I would have informed my Admin boys and see if the could sort something out. Or at least so they knew. But  I'm not Max. And if I had been Ivan I would have informed someone in Admin about this situation ages ago. But I'm not Ivan.

The fact is that I was never informed he talked with M@X, I spoke repeatedly with him and his sister Dorinde (who manages the band), and I convinced her they were better here than away from PA.

This is the sequence

1.- He wanted to talk directly with M@X and asked me absolute discretion, but I never made the contact.with M@X

2.- I convinced his sister Dorinde (manager of the band) not to retire Life Line Project, as a fact I supposed she would never find M@X. 

2.- He insisted to keep this  directly with M@X and nobody else, 

3.- I have a great relation with his sister Dorinde and convinced her this was negative for them, his sister told me everything was OK and that she agreed with me , and then I lost the trace of them, I never talked with M@x or knew he talked with M@X, but as far as i know, everything was solved

4.- I had no communication with Erik, for a month and no news from him

5.- I notified the Adms the name of two of this guys in the proper thread

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

The users

GREWOLDERHTP and ADELIS




Have similar ratings to almost the same rare albums

Seem like trolls to me 

Iván

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=85724&PN=4


My post is there unread

6.- I thought everything was forgotten

7.- I received his mail yesterday informing me that he had founded 20 more reviews and that he had already retired the band with M@X without notifying me.

I had no participation in the removal if LIFE LINE PROJECT or even knew he had rfetired the band untikl yesterday

Iván


Than you for  taking the time to clear that up. Could you do this in future without larger font and bold type?
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Points: 19535 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2012 at 09:42
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Why didn't you bring this to our attention weeks ago?

1.- Because I thought everything was solved

2.- Because you have stated repeatedly you can't do a thing with trolls.

3.- I notified about two of them and nothing was done

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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

...not strange (really)
Maybe not.Tongue
I suppose I'm saying that if it was my site I would have informed my Admin boys and see if the could sort something out. Or at least so they knew. But  I'm not Max. And if I had been Ivan I would have informed someone in Admin about this situation ages ago. But I'm not Ivan.

The fact is that I was never informed he talked with M@X, I spoke repeatedly with him and his sister Dorinde (who manages the band), and I convinced her they were better here than away from PA.

This is the sequence

1.- He wanted to talk directly with M@X and asked me absolute discretion, but I never made the contact.with M@X

2.- I convinced his sister Dorinde (manager of the band) not to retire Life Line Project, as a fact I supposed she would never find M@X. 

2.- He insisted to keep this  directly with M@X and nobody else, 

3.- I have a great relation with his sister Dorinde and convinced her this was negative for them, his sister told me everything was OK and that she agreed with me , and then I lost the trace of them, I never talked with M@x or knew he talked with M@X, but as far as i know, everything was solved

4.- I had no communication with Erik, for a month and no news from him

5.- I notified the Adms the name of two of this guys in the proper thread

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

The users

GREWOLDERHTP and ADELIS




Have similar ratings to almost the same rare albums

Seem like trolls to me 

Iván

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=85724&PN=4


My post is there unread

6.- I thought everything was forgotten

7.- I received his mail yesterday informing me that he found 20 more reviews and that he had already retired the band with M@X without notifying me.

I had no participation in the removal if LIFE LINE PROJECT or even knew he had retired the band until yesterday

Iván




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Slightly more disappointing than not being given the opportunity to correct this is the fact that the evidence has been deleted so we will never know who these 20 rating manipulators are and what other albums they have affected with their selfish actions.

 
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Maybe ratings without reviews isn't such a good idea after all.
This case may be an exception, but it happened and it can happen again, and it's sad and unnecessary .
I know that presenting the option of people being able to rate alone without reviews fits good within the current internet culture.
But maybe it's not the best thing for the PA database.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

...not strange (really)
Maybe not.Tongue
I suppose I'm saying that if it was my site I would have informed my Admin boys and see if the could sort something out. Or at least so they knew. But  I'm not Max. And if I had been Ivan I would have informed someone in Admin about this situation ages ago. But I'm not Ivan.

Bloody good job too mate. Wouldn't like you very much if you wereLOL

I do find it staggering that the admins were not informed, and if I were an admin, I would be pretty brassed off, to be honest.
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