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infandous
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Posted: September 26 2012 at 08:19 |
dtguitarfan wrote:
So...you actually care about the lyrics? Haha, kind of kidding there - lyrics are important, but for me they've always been the whipped cream on the sundae. More important to me is the music itself - the vocals, the harmonies, the instrumentals, etc.
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The music is the most important aspect, for sure. However, if you are going to have lyrics at all, they should, at the very least, not be totally ridiculous. Which they are on The Count of Tuscany. I still listen to it, because the music is great, but it does sort of take away from the grandness when I find myself giggling uncontrollably at certain points. Maybe if they didn't seem so serious about the silly lyrics, I would feel differently (I'm a Zappa fan, so I can appreciate deliberately silly lyrics).
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Ytse_Jam
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Posted: September 26 2012 at 07:22 |
DT has haters like every single band on the earth. Everyone has its tastes, not a big deal. Honestly, I find most of King Crimson's albums to be more boring, pretentious and unuseful than most of DT's tracks, but who cares?
Talkin about lyrics, has anybody figured out what Metropolis pt. 1 is about? 
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progbethyname
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Posted: September 26 2012 at 06:47 |
JS19 wrote:
Horizons wrote:
zeqexes wrote:
Alitare wrote:
The shortest one because it is over quicker.  |
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It is an opinion that is shared throughout PA. |
It's also kind of annoying. Yeah lots of people don't like DT, I get it. It's not that funny any more. Doesn't help that a lot of the fans are a bit crazy about them, but still, it's a bit pretentious to have a go at DT every single time they are mentioned... I still enjoy them from time to time, even if they are a little silly sometimes  In answer to the question, I think my favourite would have to be In The Presence Of Enemies. Not a popular opinion because of the dumb lyrics, but I honestly don't expect a lyrical masterpiece when I listen to a DT track  |
DREAM THEATER are easy one of the most brilliant, technically complex bands in prog and easily the world. People, I feel, make fun of DREAM THEATER because they are just so incredibly technical and some people just don't get it. It is my experience that people often fear and belittle what they don't understand. I call those people closet case idiots.
Anyway, just ignor those morons who actually have the audacity to make fun of them.
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JS19
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Posted: September 26 2012 at 02:52 |
Horizons wrote:
zeqexes wrote:
Alitare wrote:
The shortest one because it is over quicker.  |
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It is an opinion that is shared throughout PA. |
It's also kind of annoying. Yeah lots of people don't like DT, I get it. It's not that funny any more. Doesn't help that a lot of the fans are a bit crazy about them, but still, it's a bit pretentious to have a go at DT every single time they are mentioned... I still enjoy them from time to time, even if they are a little silly sometimes 
In answer to the question, I think my favourite would have to be In The Presence Of Enemies. Not a popular opinion because of the dumb lyrics, but I honestly don't expect a lyrical masterpiece when I listen to a DT track 
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Posted: September 25 2012 at 23:08 |
Zeqexes, on these Archives many people think D.Theater are a hugely defining, technical, impressive and very important modern progressive band, while just as many find them to be the most tedious, overwrought, unemotional and clinical bore!
I fall right in between those two, and can completely understand both arguments! I totally sit on the fence with this band!
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Horizons
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Posted: September 25 2012 at 22:39 |
zeqexes wrote:
Alitare wrote:
The shortest one because it is over quicker.  |
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It is an opinion that is shared throughout PA.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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zeqexes
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Posted: September 25 2012 at 22:19 |
Alitare wrote:
The shortest one because it is over quicker.  |
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Alitare
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Posted: September 25 2012 at 20:39 |
The shortest one because it is over quicker.
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RedNightmareKing
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Posted: September 25 2012 at 19:55 |
Hmmm, this is a tough one! In no particular order...
Octavarium The Count of Tuscany A Change of Seasons The Ministry of Lost Souls (Seriously, how hasn't this been mentioned yet. Wonderful track!)
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I consider drone metal to be progressive...
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Dellinger
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Posted: September 25 2012 at 18:43 |
Octavarium for me, easily. Even though Change of Seasons, Count of Tuscany, and Nightmare to Remember are also great. As well as In the Presence of Enemies, but the part I like most of it is the first, which is presented separated from the rest of the song in the album.
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zeqexes
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Posted: September 25 2012 at 18:01 |
dtguitarfan wrote:
So...you actually care about the lyrics? Haha, kind of kidding there - lyrics are important, but for me they've always been the whipped cream on the sundae. More important to me is the music itself - the vocals, the harmonies, the instrumentals, etc.
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Yeah, I do agree with you - however, good lyrics are always better than bad lyrics 
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Ytse_Jam
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Posted: September 25 2012 at 17:53 |
dtguitarfan wrote:
So...you actually care about the lyrics? Haha, kind of kidding there - lyrics are important, but for me they've always been the whipped cream on the sundae. More important to me is the music itself - the vocals, the harmonies, the instrumentals, etc.
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No, I don't. In fact, I love The Count.
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hobocamp
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Posted: September 25 2012 at 17:44 |
Metropolis Part 1
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: September 25 2012 at 17:37 |
So...you actually care about the lyrics? Haha, kind of kidding there - lyrics are important, but for me they've always been the whipped cream on the sundae. More important to me is the music itself - the vocals, the harmonies, the instrumentals, etc.
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zeqexes
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Posted: September 25 2012 at 17:28 |
Ytse_Jam wrote:
^ Agreed for The Count of Tuscany. Lyrics and music are just like black and white.. |
Seconded. The actual music in The Count of Tuscany is OK, but the silly lyrics just ruin the song for me. I mean how can you compare this:
"I want to stay alive Everything about this place Just doesn't feel right I I don't want to die Suddenly I'm frightened for my life"
to this?:
"Life was filled with wonder I felt the warm wind blow I must explore the boundaries Transcend the depth of winter's snow Innocence caressing me I never felt so young before There was so much life in me Still I longed to search for more But those days are gone now Changed like a leaf on a tree Blown away forever into the cool autumn breeze"
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progbethyname
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Posted: September 25 2012 at 17:01 |
You know, what makes VOICES so epic to me is the VOICE that carries the song. LaBrie, the way he sustains and holds the main chorus notes to like octave 8 is just incredible and very epic sounding to me. The tune is a 9+ minute gem, so it is layered enough to get my vote for having an epic nature. Some cases I think your right in regards to the music itself, but the voice is its own maddening force. Brilliant job.
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Ytse_Jam
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Posted: September 25 2012 at 16:26 |
I wouldn't label Voices as an epic. One of their best, though... Talking about LaBrie singing his ass off, I think The Killing Hand off Live at the Marquee would be the best example. Don't know if it's overdubbed in studio or not, but hell, I miss that LaBrie...
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progbethyname
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Posted: September 25 2012 at 16:13 |
I gotta say that VOICES off the AWAKE album is up there. Great lyrics. LABRIE sings his ass off on that one.
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WisdomBeginsInWonder
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Posted: September 25 2012 at 13:58 |
Ytse_Jam wrote:
I've never been able to realize which one is the best between these masterpieces:- A Change of Season - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence - Octavarium
I mean.. I'm only human.. This is too tough... |
dude this are also my best songs from DT six degrees of inner turbulence is my number 10 song from progressive rock sounds <3
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Life Can Be Hilariously Cruel.
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Ytse_Jam
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Posted: September 25 2012 at 13:46 |
^ Agreed for The Count of Tuscany. Lyrics and music are just like black and white..
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