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Technically, most 70s prog is pop music pushed to it's limits, with added eclecticism. This could be why some people don't like modern prog, and some have said it lacks that 'hook'.
Technically everything under the sun is pop that is not Classical or Jazz or serioius experimental composers


Well, was classical (Romantic, Classical, etc) not the pop music of it's day?


No, not really. Plus the word pop had  not been created.


Doesn't mean it wasn't "pop"ular.

There are many reasons this music was created. Most was heard by the few. Not so popular.


I think the main reason the music was created in the first place was for the Catholic Church, so in fact, most people heard this music at church mass. As it became more of an art form with Beethoven, it was performed in halls, but only the rich could afford to see it, but it was still the popular form of music/entertainment. Even the poor talked it up, because of how popular guys like Beethoven (for example) were.

I disagree. Popular music were the songs sung in pubs and bars.....on streets....travelling wotsits. No one goes to church to hear popular music. Unless it's gospel.LOL
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Technically, most 70s prog is pop music pushed to it's limits, with added eclecticism. This could be why some people don't like modern prog, and some have said it lacks that 'hook'.
Technically everything under the sun is pop that is not Classical or Jazz or serioius experimental composers


Well, was classical (Romantic, Classical, etc) not the pop music of it's day?


No, not really. Plus the word pop had  not been created.


Doesn't mean it wasn't "pop"ular.

There are many reasons this music was created. Most was heard by the few. Not so popular.


I think the main reason the music was created in the first place was for the Catholic Church, so in fact, most people heard this music at church mass. As it became more of an art form with Beethoven, it was performed in halls, but only the rich could afford to see it, but it was still the popular form of music/entertainment. Even the poor talked it up, because of how popular guys like Beethoven (for example) were.
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Technically, most 70s prog is pop music pushed to it's limits, with added eclecticism. This could be why some people don't like modern prog, and some have said it lacks that 'hook'.
Technically everything under the sun is pop that is not Classical or Jazz or serioius experimental composers


Well, was classical (Romantic, Classical, etc) not the pop music of it's day?


No, not really. Plus the word pop had  not been created.


Doesn't mean it wasn't "pop"ular.

There are many reasons this music was created. Most was heard by the few. Not so popular.
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Just curious, who amongst our long time prog fans hasn't gone through a period where you looked down on pop after becoming a prog fan?

There is some pop that I look down upon and some that I simply revere. I can't speak in too general a fashion.
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Just curious, who amongst our long time prog fans hasn't gone through a period where you looked down on pop after becoming a prog fan?

I never looked down on pop, but I have always been picky about the pop I listened to anyway.
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Originally posted by ole-the-first ole-the-first wrote:

In past centuries actually some kinds of folk music were in the place of modern pop.

I thought that was the point I was making. 

Music for the masses had to be fairly simple so that actual people could play it, otherwise how could people experience it?  The advent of recorded music changed things.  It could be shared without people actually physically making it in person.


Edited by Slartibartfast - June 02 2012 at 15:59
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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^But of course this is a very general comparison. Pop music is a phenomenon of sound recordig era.
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In past centuries actually some kinds of folk music were in the place of modern pop.
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Pop means you can put in a pop up toaster...

Pop star = shellack a cow turd and convince enough people it's a plop of gold.  Tongue

If you want to find the equivalent of pop music in the pre recorded days what you want is folk music, except it wasn't commercialized.


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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Technically, most 70s prog is pop music pushed to it's limits, with added eclecticism. This could be why some people don't like modern prog, and some have said it lacks that 'hook'.
Technically everything under the sun is pop that is not Classical or Jazz or serioius experimental composers


Well, was classical (Romantic, Classical, etc) not the pop music of it's day?


No, not really. Plus the word pop had  not been created.


Doesn't mean it wasn't "pop"ular.
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Anybody ever heard about this story:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/virtual-japanese-pop-star-sells-concerts-makes-more-204736890.html
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Technically, most 70s prog is pop music pushed to it's limits, with added eclecticism. This could be why some people don't like modern prog, and some have said it lacks that 'hook'.
Technically everything under the sun is pop that is not Classical or Jazz or serioius experimental composers


Well, was classical (Romantic, Classical, etc) not the pop music of it's day?


No, not really. Plus the word pop had  not been created.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Technically, most 70s prog is pop music pushed to it's limits, with added eclecticism. This could be why some people don't like modern prog, and some have said it lacks that 'hook'.
Technically everything under the sun is pop that is not Classical or Jazz or serioius experimental composers


Well, was classical (Romantic, Classical, etc) not the pop music of it's day?

And Jazz has been pop music at least 2-3 times in it's history. Swing, 70s fusion, and smooth jazz.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

If creating a Pop Star was easy we'd all be doing it - to hell with artistic integrity, bring on the champagne and caviar, limos and easy action - dammit I want a big house in the country and a fleet of Italian supercars to drive to Domino's for a take away pizza - if writing a 4-minute, 4-chord wonder is that easy then let's do it now - come on guys, we've got the talent and I'm sure we can find some leggy bimbo to front the band - our 90% split between us would still be a tidy sum of cash.

Oh, but it is that easy.  The only ingredient you're missing is money.  You either need to have a whole lot of it, or know someone who does and is willing to invest it in you.  Pop stars ARE created these days from talentless bums by people who have a tidy sum of cash.  Ashley Simpson?  Read this article from someone IN the business:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-mellencamp/on-my-mind-the-state-of-t_b_177836.html


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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Technically, most 70s prog is pop music pushed to it's limits, with added eclecticism. This could be why some people don't like modern prog, and some have said it lacks that 'hook'.
Technically everything under the sun is pop that is not Classical or Jazz or serioius experimental composers


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(see Kate Bush for example)
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Technically, most 70s prog is pop music pushed to it's limits, with added eclecticism. This could be why some people don't like modern prog, and some have said it lacks that 'hook'.
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Not me.  I've always like some pop and some prog.  I always thought there was good pop and good prog.  Weird I know!
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Just curious, who amongst our long time prog fans hasn't gone through a period where you looked down on pop after becoming a prog fan?
Not me - I bought Electric Warrior and Meddle in the same year - I've always like Pop and Prog.
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The only pop song that's come out in the last 5 years that I truly liked, was C. Lo Green's "f**k You", and it's probably because it's so derivative of 70s R&B/funk (and the lyrics).
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