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wilmon91
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Posted: November 10 2011 at 10:10 | ||
The idea was to show more disrespect to prog, which means bands who are related to that genre. I found the idea strange. I don't think genres are relevant either, but the point is that every musician should stand for their own music.
And one should be careful in doing an evaluation of a whole genre , it will likely only produce stereotypical and untrue ideas. Edited by wilmon91 - November 10 2011 at 10:25 |
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wilmon91
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Posted: November 10 2011 at 09:57 | ||
Having self distance is a different thing. But slandering ones own work and others is more of a nervous behaviour showing lack of confidence and a need for praise. Like a child who makes a drawing and calling it ugly just so everyone else can say "no it's fine".
Of course self distance and humility are two good personal characteristics. But it doesn't mean that you have to disparage your own work. It's just childish.
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Catcher10
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17863 |
Posted: November 10 2011 at 09:40 | ||
I'm sorry I don't listen to the artists I like because someone on a website or a doosh magazine reviewer has labeled them "prog". I don't come to this website on a daily basis because its progarchives. I come here because the artists people discuss and review is the kind of music I like......not because its prog...my God, that has nothing to do with it.
BTW....that's the basis for the album Thick As A Brick.......you go ahead and call it what you like. Its Rock, Metal, Pop, Prog......whatever floats your boat. On this forum Jethro Tull is very popular.....so I guess its Pop Music.......but you would diss that label I suppose. |
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toroddfuglesteg
Forum Senior Member Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
Posted: November 10 2011 at 09:26 | ||
It is great to have a passion for something. But if you cannot take 5 steps back and see the whole picture + laugh a bit at yourself and find yourself and what you are doing a bit silly, you are in serious trouble. Worst of all; you will alienate people around you. It is my personal belief that when I stop laughing at myself, I am in serious problems. May that time not come because the mental asylums here are not that great. Rick Wakeman's hilarious biography and Ian Anderson's statements just gives me greater respect for both persons, prog rock and bands like Yes, Jethro Tull and the other prog rock greats.
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wilmon91
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 15 2009 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 698 |
Posted: November 10 2011 at 09:13 | ||
How strange is that. So what is your opinion on prog? If prog is just silly or lame , why do you listen to it?
Maybe music is just a big joke.
How can a prog musician have a passion for music while at the same time have no respect for it? Is it some sort of sickness? "I'm doing silly prog music, I can't help it".
It reminds me of the sort of commercial entertainment artists who are like clowns and see their own music as a sort of joke that has no meaning whatsoever. A swedish artist comes to mind, Markoolio.
So everyone should diss prog. Oh how cool.
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bucka001
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 16 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 864 |
Posted: November 10 2011 at 02:39 | ||
Most do, and trip over each other as they try and run away from the genre label.
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: November 10 2011 at 02:29 | ||
More prog musicians should diss prog
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bucka001
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 16 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 864 |
Posted: November 10 2011 at 01:53 | ||
Well, you seem to care. Your own review of this album, from your best rock albums list, states, "And it is very sly: according to Ian Anderson, Thick as a Brick was a
send-up of progressive rock of the time, holding up a cynical mirror to Tull's
pompous rock counterparts (and the band itself)." So, having put that out there for public consumption on your blog, I'm sure you'll agree that it's at least fair game for discussion on a prog forum where we just discuss stuff for fun and to kill time anyway. I'm not sure you've gone through the whole thread (I probably wouldn't have if I joined the party late) but no matter what side of the fence folks are on (i.e. either IA's a jerk for putting down these other bands, or he's just larking about so folks should chill) it's been established that TAAB wasn't a putdown of prog at the time... that's revisionist on IA's part. At any rate, here's an interview with IA from the time (1972, with Circus magazine) in which he discusses the idea behind TAAB. This is him in his own words, at the time, discussing the real intent behind the album (a reaction to critics' reactions to Aqualung, among other things), not how he's rewritten things now, 40 yrs later. Edited by bucka001 - November 10 2011 at 03:03 |
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bucka001
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 16 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 864 |
Posted: November 10 2011 at 01:30 | ||
I remember when the allegations of Christian Vander being a facist, nazi sympathizer started up, and some fans posting that they were going to get rid of their whole Magma/Vander collections which they'd had for years. These were people posting on a Magma blog who'd been major fans for ages. But to your point... who here has said that they won't listen to IA's music anymore because of this? I haven't seen anyone post that...
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Billy Pilgrim
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Posted: November 10 2011 at 00:00 | ||
I don't really care, the guy makes good enough music. Why do we have to care about our musicians personalities or what they say? Shouldn't affect the music in the slightest, not like were all gonna be going to a barbecue with him anytime soon.
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rogerthat
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Posted: November 09 2011 at 21:44 | ||
Didn't catch his last line in that video...what..."waiting to be sued by those splendid chaps"...he couldn't have made it any more obvious that he was trolling. |
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Chris S
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Posted: November 09 2011 at 21:42 | ||
like a thread
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: November 09 2011 at 21:17 | ||
I suppose if this were 1972, this might have mattered. To someone. I'm not sure who.
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cstack3
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Posted: November 09 2011 at 20:58 | ||
Yeah, when Rick was blowing off the TFTO recording, he sat in on Sabbath's "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" recording! "Keyboardist Rick Wakeman of the band Yes (who was recording Tales from Topographic Oceans with Yes in the next studio) was brought in as a session player, appearing on "Sabbra Cadabra".[4]" |
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bucka001
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Posted: November 09 2011 at 20:47 | ||
I read that Banks interview a while back, I should re-read it (is that the one where he says that VdGG and Yes shared the bill quite a bit in the old days?). I also have his autobiog and remember it as being a riveting read. He does talk about sharing a flat with Fripp and playing him the Flash album. That Wakeman bit reminds me of talking to David Jackson (sax man w/VdGG) and him telling me that, when they were recording Godbluff at Rockfield in '75, Motorhead were in the next studio and he ended up recording a jam with them! So, somewhere there's a tape of Lemmy and the boys jamming with Jaxon on sax. Jaxon also remembered playing darts with Andy Fairweather-Low during some downtime in the Godbluff sessions!
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cstack3
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Posted: November 09 2011 at 18:33 | ||
Thanks, good insight! Sadly, I wasn't in London when all of this was coming together, but I've read many accounts & interviews, and the various band members used to live together, jam together, get high together, chase girls together etc. as do musicians anywhere! Peter Banks' interview is remarkable for his recollections of those days (including when he shared a flat with Bob Fripp! I often thought I heard Fripp's influence in Banks' guitar, or perhaps vice-versa?) Even the musicians themselves used to groan about the over-the-top compositions! Regarding TFTO, Chris Squire once said "That tended to go on a bit, didn't it?" The interview with Wakeman is hilarious, where he breaks from recording TFTO to play darts with Black Sabbath in another studio!! No doubt, the lengthy noodling-bit isn't Ian's cup of tea. I always admired Tull's compositions for the strength & brevity of the individual songs, knit into a larger work. However, I remain convinced that he's tweaking us all on purpose.
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: November 09 2011 at 14:38 | ||
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Evolver
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Posted: November 09 2011 at 13:45 | ||
I finally got a chance to watch the video. To me it seemed obvious that IA was joking when he mentioned other bands. However, from this, and the spoken portions of the Aqualung live album, it appears that Ian is a bit confused about the definitions of prog rock and concept albums, as he appears to frequently confuse the two.
In his defense, he often claims to be very old.
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bucka001
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 16 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 864 |
Posted: November 09 2011 at 12:38 | ||
I never thought of Tull as prog rock, even back in the 70's. It's only when I started looking at ProgArchives and Progressiveears that I became aware that many fans lumped them in with prog. I think you're right, though, that no bands thought of themselves as 'prog' back then. They were just making music they liked and hoped that others liked it too. Peter Hammill says that the phrase in the late 60's (and maybe very early 70's) was 'underground' rather than 'progressive' (which came later).
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Slaughternalia
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Posted: November 09 2011 at 12:35 | ||
Ian probably took TAAB far more seriously than he admits today
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I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't
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