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Blacksword
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Posted: January 28 2011 at 07:10 |
CPicard wrote:
In MY country, France? No, for one reason: one can disagree with Sarkozy's politics (and I do), but France isn't a dictatorship led by the same leader and his party (clique?) for more than 20 years.I won't be surprised if the Belarus tried to get rid of his dictator; I'm not surprised about the uprisings in Algeria; but I don't see why it would happen in the USA, in Canada and most of the Western Europe (UK being an exception). In France, after all, we will have elections in 2012 and I doubt that Sarkozy will turn crazy and declare himself lifetime imperator just like Napoleon II made in 1851!
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Why do you think the UK is an exception?
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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CPicard
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Posted: January 28 2011 at 07:07 |
In MY country, France? No, for one reason: one can disagree with Sarkozy's politics (and I do), but France isn't a dictatorship led by the same leader and his party (clique?) for more than 20 years.
I won't be surprised if the Belarus tried to get rid of his dictator; I'm not surprised about the uprisings in Algeria; but I don't see why it would happen in the USA, in Canada and most of the Western Europe (UK being an exception). In France, after all, we will have elections in 2012 and I doubt that Sarkozy will turn crazy and declare himself lifetime imperator just like Napoleon II made in 1851!
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Blacksword
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Posted: January 28 2011 at 07:02 |
Highly unlikely in the UK I would say.
Protests and riots yes, but actual revolution? No way. Things could get ugly if we go double dip, or get into a hyper-inflation situation, I guess, but Tunisia style? No. I very much doubt it.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 28 2011 at 06:05 |
Nah, the people who abuse power are fairly well protected. I see in the news that things are starting to happen in Egypt and Yemen...
Edited by Slartibartfast - January 28 2011 at 06:22
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Passionist
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Posted: January 28 2011 at 02:57 |
I'd say nr. 2 with a 100%. Last time we had a demonstradtion here in Finland there was 50 people tops against something as important as fat free milk or something of the kind. People seem extremely consistent and leave the complaining ti the media. We had our post WW2 civil war, but that's way back.
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someone_else
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Posted: January 28 2011 at 02:25 |
I go for option #2: it seems too unlikely to me that such a thing will happen here in the next 10 years.
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The T
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Posted: January 28 2011 at 00:23 |
My country of origin, Ecuador, is quite adept at doing this. We had once 10 presidents in 10 years, just before the current socialist one brought stability with his near unlimited power. I was there when three presidents were ousted through popular revolt, always with the support, or lack of resistance, of the armed forces.
In my adoptive country, the US, I don't see this happening. It's just too big a country. If such an extreme crisis arised when political chaos would ensue, I guess the country would fragment and disappear as a union.
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JJLehto
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Posted: January 27 2011 at 23:38 |
RoyFairbank wrote:
I would be very interested to see if the economic position of the US also impacts our traditional aloofness....... its hard to picture, that's for sure.
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Extremely hard. But hey, time will tell right? I really don't want to start any political debates (don't we have enough threads for that) but if anything was to result in America, it's probably going to be along the lines of what we are currently seeing on the news. Unfortunately IMO. If there was unrest in the US I would like to see it result in a social democratic type system...but talk about hard to picture!
Edited by JJLehto - January 27 2011 at 23:39
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RoyFairbank
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Posted: January 27 2011 at 23:14 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
Nah thanks, I've been in a "revolutionized" country once. I'm an extremist centrist, actually.
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Lol. I think also that the sort of attitude which is instilled on us in the west (and has been for a long time)- for instance that the Soviet Union was socialism and that it represented the failure of all alternatives to capitalism - will necessarily be complicated by the 1) the non-existence of the boogie man for twenty plus years now already 2) the death of people who lived in good economic times under capitalism vis-a-vis the aforementioned boogie man. In other words people of the future will have a hard time being persuaded by all those old badly written cold war books from the 20th century, especially when it comes to the part where capitalism is supposed to be always on the up and up. People don't listen to books, they listen to experiences, so they will make up their own rules when it comes to what social system they want (look at Tunisia and Egypt, with no program or leadership! I would be very interested to see if the economic position of the US also impacts our traditional aloofness....... its hard to picture, that's for sure.
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Atavachron
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Posted: January 27 2011 at 22:54 |
ah yes, the Fascist Moderate ..brilliant
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 27 2011 at 22:15 |
Yeah, I'd kill for stability and good understanding
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JJLehto
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Posted: January 27 2011 at 22:15 |
extreme centrist!
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 27 2011 at 22:13 |
Nah thanks, I've been in a "revolutionized" country once. I'm an extremist centrist, actually.
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JJLehto
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Posted: January 27 2011 at 22:02 |
Alex wanna stage the global revolution?
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 27 2011 at 21:51 |
Yeah
Do the evolution
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JJLehto
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Posted: January 27 2011 at 21:48 |
Yes sir
Also I'm totally not planning my own revolution
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 27 2011 at 21:40 |
I only said could, but a complete loss of faith in the currency would be worse than we saw in the depression.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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JJLehto
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Posted: January 27 2011 at 21:38 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
It could happen. Hyperinflation tends to cause people to react like that. |
Naturally, but I just don't see it. Great Depression, the early 90's recession with Perot as a viable candidate. (Very different I know.....) US has always just muddled through crises. In fact radicalism kinda died during the depression! Although the extreme anti-guvment sentiment floating around makes things interesting.
Edited by JJLehto - January 27 2011 at 21:39
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 27 2011 at 21:34 |
It could happen. Hyperinflation tends to cause people to react like that.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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JJLehto
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Posted: January 27 2011 at 20:56 |
Nah, my country is one of the rocks of political and social stability.
It is intriguing since economic woes tend be a big key for unrest. The US is currently in an interesting political state as well, BUT...looking at history:
I am 99.9% positive the answer is no.
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