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richardh 
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 Posted: December 13 2010 at 02:04 |
Beyond the Beginning is a 5 CD+ 1DVD set that includes the Manticore documentary from 1973.
From The Beginning is a 2 DVD set including a decent chunk of California Jam.
None of ELP's DVD's are that good in truth although there are a lot out there. Either the quality is lacking or the performances do not capture them at their best.
The Isle of Wight DVD is only about 10 minutes of live performance with the rest mainly footgage of the event like overhead shots of blokes peeing  . The BBC switched the cameras off early for reasons that completely escape me. 
Edited by richardh - December 13 2010 at 02:07
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Dellinger
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Posted: December 12 2010 at 22:45 |
 AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
ELP are one of the greatest Prog Pioneers of the century!
On DVD I recommend Isle of Wight concert
From The Beginning
and Live at Montreux
wonderful performances! |
Is it From The Beginning, or Beyond the Beginning?
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Posted: December 12 2010 at 02:55 |
ELP are one of the greatest Prog Pioneers of the century!
On DVD I recommend Isle of Wight concert
From The Beginning
and Live at Montreux
wonderful performances!
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Posted: December 12 2010 at 02:12 |
Cactus Choir wrote:
At the top of their game (1970-73) they were creative and hugely exciting. They did more to popularise prog and open up opportunities for similar bands than any other group IMO. They bridged the gap between heavy rock - Zep, Purple etc - and prog like no-one else, having the power and aggression of the former and the variety and complexity of the latter. Quite a few on here don't like them but their importance to the genre is not in doubt. |
Absolutely agree with this. I don't personally like their music all that much, but I don't think this point can be convincingly argued against.
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Posted: December 12 2010 at 02:07 |
ELP has to be one of the genre-defining bands.
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 12:42 |
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For me they started greatly with a unique style, developing forwards, and then going over the top. They were not the first and they won't be the last with this kind of "history".
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 06:43 |
richardh wrote:
The 'fun songs' in total were
Jeremy Bender
Are You ready Eddy?
The Sheriff
Benny The Bouncer
total of about 12 minutes music on the first 5 studio albums (6 really as Works is a double)
Whats funny is that ELP's detractors constantly harp on about this as a reason they were'nt in the top league with Genesis,Yes and Pink Floyd.
ELP had a fun side to their music as evidenced on parts Karn Evil 9 but otherwise most of ELP's music up to and inc Works Volume Two was serious stuff.
Works Volume Two on the other hand was the beginning of the end as we all know ..but all good things come to an eventually.
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Fully agree, and anyway The Sheriff is an excellent song. If Keith enjoyed playing honky-tonk piano so what? It wouldn't be him if he didn't, he introduced that distinctive slightly detuned straight piano sound into prog, which nobody else has done. A sign of his strong personality.
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Cactus Choir
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 06:30 |
Dellinger wrote:
The only "fun" song I really like from ELP is "Are you Ready Eddy?" |
You don't appreciate the pre-punk majesty of Benny The Bouncer? You don't know what you're missing! 
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"And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!"
"He's up the pub"
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Posted: December 03 2010 at 22:25 |
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Moogtron III wrote:
I also like The Sheriff and the fun songs. ELP was enormously versatile.  So was Genesis, BTW, but ELP is the most versatile of them all, I think.
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Yep, agree with that. The variety of ELP is the thing I like about them most of all - classical, jazz, ballads, heavy rock and yes even the much-maligned 'funny stuff'. |
The only "fun" song I really like from ELP is "Are you Ready Eddy?"
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Posted: December 03 2010 at 07:09 |
I love them but they are an acquired taste, they seem to alienate a lot of people, who find their music cold, they've always been perceived as "Pretentious" too, which of course they are, but they did it so well...didn't they? 
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You must be joking.....Take a running jump......
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Cactus Choir
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 08:00 |
Moogtron III wrote:
I also like The Sheriff and the fun songs. ELP was enormously versatile. So was Genesis, BTW, but ELP is the most versatile of them all, I think. |
Yep, agree with that. The variety of ELP is the thing I like about them most of all - classical, jazz, ballads, heavy rock and yes even the much-maligned 'funny stuff'.
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"And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!"
"He's up the pub"
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Moogtron III
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 04:42 |
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I never considered The Sheriff a "fun" song. A stroytelling song certainly and an awesome song definitely.
I wonder if people dislike "Harold The Barrel"? |
I love Harold The Barrell.
I also like The Sheriff and the fun songs. ELP was enormously versatile. So was Genesis, BTW, but ELP is the most versatile of them all, I think.
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 03:09 |
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I really like ELP personally, though I can understand why they generate flak. For some people, it's way over the top, but even if some of that is true, shouldn't we applaud their willingness to go out on a limb and try for adventure and invention rather than just plod the same weary path as so many other bands and musicians do? And even if you don't like the music, you can't deny that you're talking about three of the finest rock musicians ever.
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 01:50 |
I never considered The Sheriff a "fun" song. A stroytelling song certainly and an awesome song definitely.
I wonder if people dislike "Harold The Barrel"?
Edited by Snow Dog - December 01 2010 at 01:51
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richardh
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 01:39 |
The 'fun songs' in total were
Jeremy Bender
Are You ready Eddy?
The Sheriff
Benny The Bouncer
total of about 12 minutes music on the first 5 studio albums (6 really as Works is a double)
Whats funny is that ELP's detractors constantly harp on about this as a reason they were'nt in the top league with Genesis,Yes and Pink Floyd.
ELP had a fun side to their music as evidenced on parts Karn Evil 9 but otherwise most of ELP's music up to and inc Works Volume Two was serious stuff.
Works Volume Two on the other hand was the beginning of the end as we all know ..but all good things come to an eventually.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: November 30 2010 at 16:28 |
moshkito wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
ELP were my favourite band of the seventies. I adored them with a fervour and passion bordering on the fanatical. Genesis and Rush came close to supplanting them at some time but ELP will always be one of my all time favourite bands. |
I still get a massive rush listening to the first 2 albums ... I kinda lost the ability to listen to them more when they started doing fun songs for radio ... I would rather have the first album and if it makes the radio fine, if not ... who cares ... the music lives! |
I don't remember them writing fun songs for the radio. I don't think they did.
Actually i have no idea what you are talking about. Whats new.
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Posted: November 30 2010 at 15:51 |
Snow Dog wrote:
ELP were my favourite band of the seventies. I adored them with a fervour and passion bordering on the fanatical. Genesis and Rush came close to supplanting them at some time but ELP will always be one of my all time favourite bands. |
I still get a massive rush listening to the first 2 albums ... I kinda lost the ability to listen to them more when they started doing fun songs for radio ... I would rather have the first album and if it makes the radio fine, if not ... who cares ... the music lives!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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richardh
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Posted: November 30 2010 at 15:22 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
richardh wrote:
Also the last comment about Genesis. What does this mean exactly? Are you saying that ELP were more talented than the 3 man line up of Genesis? Even as an ELP fan I'm not sure I agree.Would call it a draw.  |
No, what I said is that a band that looses the two most adventurous key members as Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett, has an excuse to change the sound into something simpler, but ELP didn't suffer the loss of any member, they were always the same three (Except in ELPowell and Three).
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ok ...I think
Emerson Lake and Palmer didn't release anything in the eighties so I'm not sure how they could be guilty of anything in that decade.
Black Moon in 1992 was a respectable come back album after so long and I was glad to see them still performing live.Sadly they followed that up with In The Hot Seat. Emerson and Palmer (both after operations on their hands) were virtual passengers on that album and were even replaced by session musicians for one track (Gone Too Soon).
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Posted: November 30 2010 at 12:52 |
richardh wrote:
Also the last comment about Genesis. What does this mean exactly? Are you saying that ELP were more talented than the 3 man line up of Genesis? Even as an ELP fan I'm not sure I agree.Would call it a draw. |
No, what I said is that a band that looses the two most adventurous key members as Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett, has an excuse to change the sound into something simpler, but ELP didn't suffer the loss of any member, they were always the same three (Except in ELPowell and Three).
Iván
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