Pain of Salvation

Atavachron wrote: please don't bully Eric just because of the worst U.S. president in history..  isn't this a PoS thread?

You've GOT to remember the Carter administration!!!!

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Well thanks to Scarsick, not a Pain of Salvation topic goes by (mostly on other boards and Last.fm) without America bashing. Thanks a lot, Daniel!

With all due respect, but you're doing much, much more than simply "keeping tabs" on immigrants and visitors. Imagine that 15 years ago someone would have told you that in the late 2000s the United States would introduce laws which make it possible that people (not just "ordinary" people but also U.S. citizens) can be detained by the government in an hermetically sealed prison on a far away island, for unlimited time, without a lawyer ... and without the government having to justify themselves? I'm pretty sure that back then most Americans would have said: "Under no circumstances could this happen here".

I'm very sad because of what happened back then, but you should be careful not to let it make you blind to what your government is doing.

Get pretty sh*ttin' tired of the open season on America. Before casting stones, take a look at your own friggin' government and then get back to us. Otherwise, keep it out of the forum.

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keiser willhelm wrote: CCVP wrote: stonebeard wrote: PoS don't tour America because of something with being registered and fingerprinted to do so. LOL, thank God i'm not in USA. That nazi warlord called George Dubya W Bush, the first dictator of USA, killer of civil rights (patriotic act, the reason PoS is not setting foot on US), starter of 2 needless wars, destroyer of the History of humanity (many archaeological sites were destroyed / sacked / robbed by american soldiers, Iraq population and robbers of all kind during the american invasion and occupation) and IDIOT don't let PoS play there because USA is living an exception regime. Basically its a military state, where population have no practical right and police can do whatever they want to you if they want. I dont like Bush, not many people do. I dont like the war, dont think we should have gone and think we need to get the hell out (but now were kinda stuck) but i really REALLY resent that. wait two needles wars? the Afghanistan war is legitimate, has the backing and support of the UN, and is a fight I support. The Iraq war is almost the complete opposite. wait i have no rights? thats news to me. Sure i dont like the patriot act and feel that it does encroach upon my constitutional rights but it does not take away any of my practical rights. i feel that my privacy is breached and thats something i am very upset about but i still have the right to assembly, the right to free speech, i have hundreds of practical rights. just because my privacy is threatened doesnt mean im living in a military state. I know many police officers, ive worked with some, go to church with some, they CANNOT do whatever they want. you need to seriously rethink your position, or where you get your information. i was offended by your comments.

I Don't meat to offend you, but that is what the patriotic act made to the USA. Why do you think it was passed by the American congress on late night? Because it suspends a lot of individual rights (the same rights that were fought to be achieved  and putted on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights)  and gives  police  powers beyond its legal action. It means that that police can more things that it should and give no explanation to anybody.

Hell, USA did it here in South America many MANY times. They supported killer dictatorships in Brazil (300 deaths, 25 thousand political arrests, 10 thousand exiled ), Argentina (estimated more that 30000 deaths, half million exiled), Chile (5 thousand deaths, 65 thousand political arrests 40 thousand  exiled), Paraguay (unknown number of deaths; researchers estimate missing people / deaths to be over 25 thousand), and some more to "protect democracy from communism"! Thats the same thing as having sex to protect virginity! Same thing is happening in USA. Bush IS killing civil rights to "protect democracy" and to fight "terrorism".

Terrorism is a funny thing.  The winning side tells what terrorism is and what is not. OK, i got to admit that the WTC thing was a terrorist act, but hell IRA helped to free most of Ireland with terrorism; the French resistance made terrorist acts against the Vichy government; we here in Brazil had terrorist against the dictatorship and now people involved in some of those terrorist acts are ruling the country now; George Washington attacked the english on Christmas eve for God sake and if that is not a terrorist act i don't know what is.

About the Afghanistan war, well USA caused it in the 1st place, because in the 80's US army trained and armed the very people you are fighting now, just like you did with Saddam Hussein. In fact, this whole Iran / Iraq situation was fabricated by the USA during the Cold War, but many other complicated issues were and still are caused because of the USSR, so there is no saint here. But, to fight a situation caused by yourself, blame it on somebody else and still use ideals such as democracy and freedom as ideological cover to explicit military action against those that were your allies is just dirty. Its to treat people as objects.

However, you can say "OK, but politics is all about lies, cheat and tricks", and you are right. Machiavelli wrote it, Augustus was a master on it and and Hitler was the nearest to Augustus political brilliance on the XX century. But, to hide it below a mantle of democracy and freedom, man i just cant swallow it, sorry.


Edited by CCVP - April 20 2008 at 01:03

CCVP wrote: LOL, thank God i'm not in USA. That nazi warlord called George Dubya W Bush, the first dictator of USA, killer of civil rights (patriotic act, the reason PoS is not setting foot on US), starter of 2 needless wars, destroyer of the History of humanity (many archaeological sites were destroyed / sacked / robbed by american soldiers, Iraq population and robbers of all kind during the american invasion and occupation) and IDIOT don't let PoS play there because USA is living an exception regime. Basically its a military state, where population have no practical right and police can do whatever they want to you if they want.

This is the most incorrect post I've ever seen in my life, and I've seen plenty of the typical America-bashing crap on YouTube. Funny how people who don't live here think they know everything about it.

ON-TOPIC POST:

Pain of Salvation started the great prog-metal reform over in my library and really made me lose interest in Dream Theater and their associated projects.

stonebeard wrote: PoS don't tour America because of something with being registered and fingerprinted to do so.

LOL, thank God i'm not in USA.

That nazi warlord called George Dubya W Bush, the first dictator of USA, killer of civil rights (patriotic act, the reason PoS is not setting foot on US), starter of 2 needless wars, destroyer of the History of humanity (many archaeological sites were destroyed / sacked / robbed by american soldiers, Iraq population and robbers of all kind during the american invasion and occupation) and IDIOT don't let PoS play there because USA is living an exception regime. Basically its a military state, where population have no practical right and police can do whatever they want to you if they want.

whats the deal with Daniel and america? i heard a while back (even before scarsick) that he refuses to tour there and has someother problems with the place, anyone know?

^ I think that both Entropia and Concrete Lake are better than BE. But that's just me.