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Finnforest
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Posted: June 02 2010 at 05:46 |
Nightfly
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Posted: June 02 2010 at 04:47 |
As you put it AK, the bass notes do seem to be warping with the keyboards but it was hard to tell and the bass seems only slightly out.
I think we may have got to the bottom of this. I found Croma on Youtube and did a comparrison with my vinyl version. The version on Youtube also seems to be suffering from the effects we are talking about here though perhpas my version is just slightly worse. I've come to the conclusion that an album that's not perhaps the best recorded in the first place is made just slightly worse by my vinyl being a little off centre. The difference this has made is minimal I would say though.
Jim, Opera Prima is certainly a great album, good choice and what a good choice of reviews to demonstrate the point. Edited by Nightfly - June 02 2010 at 04:54 |
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Finnforest
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Posted: June 01 2010 at 19:59 |
Vault pick: Paul and Chris weigh in on a wonderful keyboard album, with a choice cover!
Opera Prima
Rustichelli & Bordini Rock Progressivo Italiano Review by
Nightfly
Opera Prima is a fairly obscure Italian symphonic prog album from the
duo of keyboard player
Paulo Rustichelli and drummer Carlo Bordini. Sadly this album released
in 1973 remains
their only collaborative effort. Bordini is perhaps better known to RPI
fans for playing in the pre-
Goblin outfit Cherry Five. Rustichelli following in his father Carlo's
footsteps has gone on to
compose Italian film scores amongst his achievements.
This is a keyboard dominated record; in fact the duo are the only musicians to play on the album. The music ranges from sublime passages of restrained piano to more bombastic Hammond fuelled moments, the sound palette widened with the use of synths and often reminiscent of ELP. The standard of playing is not surprisingly excellent as in the main are the compositions, surprisingly mature considering the young age of Rustichelli, the only downside being some decidedly rough vocals. Despite being an excellent
album I wouldn't consider this one of the more essential releases
in the RPI genre, but lovers of symphonic keyboard fuelled prog will no
doubt find much to
enjoy here. Rustichelli & Bordini Rock Progressivo Italiano Review by
seventhsojourn
The album opens with an instrumental track, Nativita, which basically consists of an A-B-A structure but with several variants and transitions within that framework. The first A-section is like a fanfare initially played on piano and synth, but then joined by organ chords and Mellotron. A brief Emersonian jazz organ statement leads back to a variation on the first theme, with organ taking the lead this time around. Piano and Mellotron then introduce the serene B-section, with synth providing a melodic bass line. A transition passage climaxes with a piano arpeggio that heralds a reprise of the A-theme, this time with aggressive organ to the fore. The track finishes with a brief coda that combines the two main themes. Icaro begins with some moody organ, until Rustichelli can unfortunately be heard clearing his throat before starting to sing. Ouch! The tempo picks up with a stirring organ melody, drums and burbling synth-bass. We then get a typical hard-rock beat complete with cowbell. Up to this point in the song Rustichelli's voice has been bearable. However in this section he sounds like one of Saruman's orcs! I kid you not. Think of the Piltdown man from Tubular Bells... yeah, that bad! Some Jon Lord inspired organ embellishments then lead into another ELP type of jazzy improvisation. This starts with organ and piano playing in breakneck counterpoint, backed by Mellotron; Rustichelli then goes on an elaborate solo using a variety of organ timbres. Bombastic organ, Mellotron and vocals bring the song to a close. Dolce Sorella is a lovely ballad with church organ and acceptable vocals, even if these are a bit high in the mix. Actually once the drums start playing the vocals are just about right. A squelching synth line then introduces an ELP inspired melody that is to die for. Beautiful. Another verse then piano and organ duet to finish. Track 4, Un Cane, begins with a lovely piano theme (sounds familiar... The Endless Enigma?) before drums crash in along with the vocals and a juicy synth line. This is a fairly straightforward slow-paced song, although there's some super pitch-bend synthesizer towards the end. After a mellow organ introduction, E Svegliarsi In Un Giorno gets underway with synthesizer, drums and vocals. After a couple of verses there's some Mellotron-flute and buzzing synth, and we then get another superb ELP-type passage with organ and more synth. A military drumbeat and Mellotron slow things down momentarily, before a final verse brings the song to a close. Cammellandia begins with a majestic piano melody; organ then takes up the melody with synth and drums playing a syncopated beat. The track then goes through an extended virtuoso section with Rustichelli finally succumbing to a bit of overkill. Mellotron-cello introduces a strange little section... I'll swear I can hear a dog howling here! This is followed by another organ and Mellotron passage, and the piece finishes with more strange sound effects. If you ever wanted to hear what ELP might have sounded like with Mellotron then this is your chance. However Rustichelli & Bordini aren't mere ELP clones. This is one great album. I didn't actually realise just how good until I started trying to analyse the tracks for this review. All things considered, Rustichelli's voice isn't so bad after all either, with the exception of his singing on Icaro. In my opinion this is a 'must have' album for RPI fans. For everyone else I'd rate it as 4 stars. |
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Todd
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Posted: June 01 2010 at 09:52 |
That's great! How does it compare with their first two?
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opethpainter
Forum Newbie Joined: February 27 2010 Location: Paris, France Status: Offline Points: 30 |
Posted: June 01 2010 at 09:10 |
i've just listened to ERIS PLUVIA's new album 2 times in a row.
it's incredibly beautiful!
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Finnforest
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 16913 |
Posted: May 30 2010 at 08:53 |
Vault pick: One of last years favored releases.
Paesaggio Solare (Estate
1972) Il Ruscello Rock Progressivo Italiano Review by
avestin
At some point during 2009, I noticed several Italian prog rock groups
releasing new albums, be it
new or older bands. One of them was Il Ruscello (the stream). Curious,
after seeing some glowing
reviews of their album, Paesaggio solare (estate 1972), I decided to get
hold of it.
The band consists of three musicians from Milan who now reside in London: the two brothers Silvio Cavallo (vocals, acoustic guitar, drums), Giampaolo Cavallo (bass) and Luca Herb (guitars, synthesizers, piano). This album was said to be in the vein of early 70s Rock Progressivo Italiano albums such as Le Orme and Premiata Forneria Marconi. Indeed they do have this vintage sound and approach (as well as art work and design) that characterizes albums from these older days, this album manages to sound fresh (and appealing), but with some flaws. The whole album is less than 40 minutes, and has 6 tracks on it. The bass is pretty dominant in this release, a powerful driving force and rhythmic source. The second most noticeable characteristic is the keyboards. They give the color and flashiness to the music, giving it character, appeal and beauty. They define the mood and then counteract it. The third element that is crucial here are the vocals. And here I have a problem. For the most part they are fine, but when going to higher registers or at time when a softly spoken or sung section is done, I hear them going slightly out of tune and becoming too nasally, which is a shame, as this would have amplified the effect the music has, had a better vocalist been used in these sections. The title track is the weakest song in terms of vocals, as it clearly sounds as if he can't reach that high a note. But don't let it scare you away, as I can for the most part get over it and enjoy listening to the songs even at those moments where I find fault in the singing. The music, however, is another matter. The first track can give an example of the range of dynamics at play here. With its various sections, it travels from a soft and unsure start to a decisive and structured rock part, with a very "exposed" bass line (it's at the front of the mix); the song is further developed with a keyboards and guitar solo and the ever present bass, which has a propelling rhythm. The song goes from high points with thrilling peaks to calmer grounds; it recapitulates previous sections and ties it all together and then goes on a new journey, further developing the main theme. The title song and the last song Orizzonti both deliver the same level of song-writing and musicianship found in the opening track and are as enjoyable. My favourite track is La grande Citta, which is divided into two songs: La Notte di una Citta and Il Risveglio di una Citta. These two together form a stellar musical experience, with high emotional peaks and superb instrumental segments (here's an example where the vocals can diminish the experience). The second part, starts with an earworm keyboards line, backed up by percussion and then the bass joining it, followed by the guitar. The build up is well done as more layering, ornamentation and development is done to the original basic melody. The music becomes more powerful, more aggressive, fuller and richer until the peak. Which in turn gives way to a side-development of that tune. This is classic progressive rock that isn't too complicated or pretentious, but rather relies and relishes in the fun form of rock and simply adds some little sophistication to it, but the raw energy and power are there to enjoy. Too bad they end the song in a clear-cut manner; I'd have preferred a subtler ending that would better fit the spirit of the song. Despite the flaws I've mentioned, I find this a compelling album; the music is too good to not listen to, despite the issues I mentioned above. They take simple melodies and make them more interesting and special and build up on them to create an appealing piece with their craftsmanship. Worth getting! |
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Nightfly
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Posted: May 29 2010 at 04:42 |
Thanks for that AK. Your answer makes me think that the master tapes perhaps have not been stored well over the years and they now have slight deffects that could cause glitches here and there as well as a not perfect recording in the first place. I'm sure it was done on a tight budget and in those days before electronic tuners combined with rushing things along a bit may have resulted in the odd error . My vinyl copy is not an original by the way, but the BTF repressing. The album is slightly off cenre, you can see the stylus moving side to side when the disc turns but as I said I would have thought it would affect the whole side if it was going to make a difference.
That's a good point about the bass notes. I'll go back and check that and let you know what I discover. Edited by Nightfly - May 29 2010 at 04:46 |
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American Khatru
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 28 2009 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 732 |
Posted: May 28 2010 at 18:14 |
Nightfly,
I think if it were an issue of the pressing being off center, a warping of all notes would be discernible even if just slightly. I have the CD (a top favorite of mine too!). I think that the instruments, or in this case the keyboard, are just not quite in tune. This is not hard to believe with this record; for all the album's merits, which are many and high, there is a failing in being in tune. Just listen to the woeful acoustic guitar on the opening track, most especially when most all the strings are struck together (A minor chord about 1:36 in). Cheap guitar with poor intonation, or not tuned, or both (both actually). But anyway, I'm not here to attack them or any other great classic band -- paramours, I take them as they are.
At the start of Croma I think we can safely say this out-of-tune-ness in the keyboard is quite obviously on purpose -- for the quirky carnivalesque effect, few things are better (this really is a great little number, ain't it?!). Once the more soaring section lays in there is a "warping", but to my ear it sounds less like in-and-out-of-tune than a rotating speaker on a keyboard (great effect). But then I start to wonder, because the second time the soaring section comes in it sounds indeed like there may in fact be warping in-and-out. Or is it just the keyboards phasing because they aren't in tune with one another? I think if your album were off-center you should be able to hear those long bass notes warping with the keyboard. Do you? It may be very hard to tell. I don't think I am on the cd. |
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Nightfly
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 17:32 |
Thanks Jim and Chris. It certainly is a great album. The way you describe it Chris with the washy sound is quite a good way of putting it. Sort of like it's going slightly in and out of tune I guess you could say.
Edited by Nightfly - May 28 2010 at 17:39 |
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seventhsojourn
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Posted: May 28 2010 at 15:09 |
^^ This is difficult! I've got the cd, but without hearing the vinyl I obviously can't really compare. All I can say is that the keyboards on Croma have a slightly distorted, washy sound... difficult to describe as i'm sure you'll appreciate. Anyway, I hope that helps until Jim or Todd get a chance to post a reply.
Hope you enjoy the album... one of my RPI favourites
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Finnforest
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 16913 |
Posted: May 28 2010 at 14:42 |
^
I hadn't noticed that Paul, but I'll try to spin my CD this weekend and see if I can detect anything.
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Nightfly
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 01 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3659 |
Posted: May 27 2010 at 12:45 |
^ One of my favourites too, an excellent album.
I'm sure you guys can answer this question. I've just picked up the first Alphataurus album on vinyl and I notice that the pressing is ever so slightly off centre. It doesn't seem to affect the sound until Croma at the end of side 1 which sounds like the effect you would get if the master tapes were slightly stretched if you know what I mean. Now if it was the off centre disc I would have thought the whole side would be affected so I was wondering if this was how it's mean't to sound. What's your copy sound like and what do you guys think? Poor pressing? mastered from an aging mastertape? mean't to sound like that or have i got a duff pressing?
Cheers Edited by Nightfly - May 27 2010 at 12:47 |
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Todd
Special Collaborator RPI / Heavy Prog Team Joined: December 19 2007 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 3472 |
Posted: May 26 2010 at 18:56 |
Yeah, that's a great one--you don't hear too much about it, but it's one of the essential RPI titles in my opinion. |
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Finnforest
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 16913 |
Posted: May 26 2010 at 18:46 |
Vault pick. Great title!
Contaminazione Il Rovescio Della Medaglia Rock Progressivo Italiano Review by
andrea
The album tells the story of an imaginary character, a Scottish guitarist called Jim McCluskin that, back from a journey in Nepal, believes to be the "avatar" (the incarnation) of another imaginary character, a Scottish musician called Isaia Somerset, supposed to be an illegitimate son of Johann Sebastian Bach who abandoned him during his stay in Britain. The guitarist is hospitalized in a psychiatric structure where he is haunted by his crazy musical dreams. The plot is ironic, all the tracks are linked together and the music flows without interruptions drawing a kind of well crafted "divertissement". The opener, "Absent For This Consumed World" is a short instrumental introduction that leads with a drum roll to the ethereal and melancholic "Ora non ricordo più" (Now I can't remember). "Now I can't remember what kind of music I used to play / I saw white and I fell over / It's the imagine of an imagine... I run after my music / My music is running forward, away from me / Like dark never touch light / Where time comes to life and immediately dies / She is there and she's waiting for me / She is calling me...". Next comes "Il suono del silenzio" (The sound of silence). Don't worry, it's not a cover of Simon & Garfunkel but an experimental track where classical passages of harpsichord, organ and violin are mixed with a vibrant and pulsing rhythm section. In the mind of the protagonist a question comes up... "Maybe, am I the son of Bach?". "Mi sono svegliato e... Ho chiuso gli occhi" (I woke up and... I shut my eyes) tells of a sad awakening... "Why am I here? Why did they shut me here? Because for them I'm like a strange child...". From a lullaby take off a desperate electric guitar solo in Jimi Hendrix style... The protagonist wants to go back into the world of dreams... "I woke up this morning and... / I shut my eyes...". Well, definitively dreams can be better than reality... The short and frenzy "Lei sei tu: lei" (She is you: she) depicts a troubled dream where music becomes a beautiful woman inviting the protagonist to follow her in another world where she is waiting. Next comes "La mia musica" (My music), a sweet and romantic love song dedicated to the charming woman that incarnates the music... "She is there... And in the light of thought even the faintest souvenir becomes clear / I run after her when she runs away / To have her one more time... Sing on the roof / And I'll call you swallow / Sing on the bank / And I'll call you sea / I can hear thousands voices / They sing the secrets hidden into the soul / They sing the thoughts of a free spirit / It's for me that they are singing / It's for you... Now she is here / Now she is mine...". The mad rock guitarist believes now to be Isaia Somerset, the illegitimate son of Bach and on "Johann" the contamination of styles is perfect The interaction between rock band and baroque orchestra is absolutely brilliant... "Johann Sebastian Bach had twenty-one children / He loved twenty of them / But one was abandoned in Scotland...". "Scotland Machine" blends classical music and rock with Celtic echoes... When the protagonist awakes he's driven into cell number 503 that now is free and all for him... "Cella 503" (Cell 503) is an instrumental where we find a peculiar Spanish flavour mixed with baroque music, then a rock part precedes a closing section featuring a powerful organ solo. Then comes "Contaminazione 1760", another short instrumental featuring only flutes. "Alzo un muro elettrico" is one of the best tracks on this work, where you can find tasteful reminiscences of Brazil... "I build an electric wall / A sky of organs is opening / She is there / Now I'm again myself...". "Sweet Suite" begins with a church-like organ, then a short reprise of "Alzo un muro elettrico" follows... "Now I'm again myself!". The fiery and passionate instrumental "La grande fuga" (The grat fugue) is a perfect "gran finale" for this amazing album. An English version of this album was also released for the international market, but I prefer the Italian one. A must have for every prog lover.- |
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Finnforest
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Posted: May 25 2010 at 18:49 |
Thanks guys, yeah I hope they get lots of people checkin' em out soon. Good stuff.
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Nightfly
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 01 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3659 |
Posted: May 25 2010 at 12:52 |
I'm going to check Colster out Jim, sounds like they may be my cup of tea, great review
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DamoXt7942
Special Collaborator Joined: October 15 2008 Location: Okayama, Japan Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: May 23 2010 at 19:21 |
Wow, excellent bio and review thanks Jim!
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Finnforest
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 16913 |
Posted: May 23 2010 at 19:16 |
New Italian artist added today.....
Colster Colster Psychedelic/Space Rock
Review by
Finnforest
— First review of this
album —
Soaring instrumental rock of many flavors
Colster is a new project from Cuneo, Italy, the collaboration of multi-instrumentalist Livio Cravero and percussionist/drummer Francesco Previotto. Their impressive debut album has been released on Ma.Ra.Cash Records and features compositions the duo wrote over the past two years. During this time they were traveling in Europe, America, and Asia, engaging another interest in photography that they have integrated into the Colster project. They sought to create instrumental music which would express their life experiences while at the same time be accessible and conducive to mental imagery for the listener. While I have read some reviews which mentioned Pink Floyd and King Crimson in their discussion, in my opinion this is music which sails closer to modern psych/space-tinged jamming with Djam Karet and Ozric Tentacles flavorings. I would say Colster is a bit more accessible than those bands even, creating an almost instantly appreciated rock jam with psychedelic influences but far from anything seriously weird or dissonant. This is a classy and interesting new act that will make some waves, and a second album is already planned. The most overt Crimson sounds I heard were on the opening track "Searching Absolution pt 1" which reminded me of the 80s project "I Advanced Masked" that Fripp did with Andy Summers of The Police. I have no idea how long Livio and Francesco have been friends or how long they've been jamming together but they have a good interplay, and are musically supportive of each other. While not overly flasher exhibitionists they possess a certain confident swagger in their active playing styles. Cravero is a tight guitarist with a graceful, fluid lead style, able to pick off notes that seem to fill those emotional holes in the listener. Previotto is a similarly adept drummer, adventurous and yet solid, willing to try some fills and rhythms which are not always expected. Their interplay is spirited, warm, and most importantly, filled with color. The mood of the music for me was especially effective as a driving soundtrack in the dark of night. I was driving home late last Friday night from someone's house. It was warm and humid outside and the thick air was creating a slight halo effect around the bright lights of oncoming cars on the freeway. The track "Meloncholy" came up next and the lovely introspective music created a very effective moment: the bright guitar mixing with the headlights cutting through the night, the movement of the cars around me, and the warm breeze coming through the window made for magical listening. "The First Wail" was the first Colster composition and it breathes moodiness with gorgeous, spacious chords and leads. Cool, rolling drumming segments and generous fills in the latter half of "Everyday Life." The latter moments remind me a bit of Porcupine Tree here and there, nice spaciness and good interplay. "Island Asylum" sounds like some mellotron behind strange environmental sound, soaring guitars, crisp drums, in a track focusing on the pleasure of the refuge. Where one goes to "lick his wounds" and find some peace from distraction and stress, according to the band liner notes. The second part of the three part "Searching Absolution" begins with an energetic drum solo leading into murky sounds reminiscent for me of Djam Karet explorations. Amazing "lead" drumming on this track as Previotto explodes with bombast-great! "See through the Tears" brings the album to a close through the "tears of the world" and more introspective moods, with a somewhat melancholic melody and a very independent bass line bubbling below the song's surface. Colster succeeds at what I believe are one of their intentions, creating a sort of soundtrack for the thoughts and images of the listener, music that moves with you as you live. And yet it is important to reiterate that their succinct style is a strength. They improvise and dream musically of course, they take you places, but they keep the pieces reasonably brief and well paced, stretching the length out only as necessary. There is no overindulgence here where you are tortured by 16 minutes of feedback over breaking glass and barking dogs. Colster brings a lighter edge to psych/space and are capable of crossover should they choose to go there. At times there are even hints of fusion that creep in reminding me of the superb AIIR jam band. My only real criticism is the same one I often have about bands which are one or two man projects. No matter how capable the musician or musicians, I can always detect that I am not listening to a full band. I believe having 3 or 4 distinct personalities in a project comes through in the sound, and that the added ideas and contributions can prevent an album's worth of music from sounding too similar. But while I would suggest Colster collaborate with others on at least some tracks on future albums, I can also say that my enjoyment was not truly hindered in this case---this is a fine album which I very much enjoyed. The digi-pak comes with a booklet of lovely artwork and song inspiration notes about various tracks, a nice and intimate touch to include. |
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Luca Pacchiarini
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 08 2009 Location: home Status: Offline Points: 530 |
Posted: May 23 2010 at 15:51 |
....right now there is a sh*tty programme on the italian TV RAI, with Goblin soundtrack from the Profondo Rosso / Suspiria albums :D
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Todd
Special Collaborator RPI / Heavy Prog Team Joined: December 19 2007 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 3472 |
Posted: May 23 2010 at 13:41 |
Aye, that's one that doesn't leave my rotation for too long. This band is a great example of just how rich and wonderful the RPI scene really is. Layers upon layers upon layers of excellent music waiting to be discovered!
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