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ResidentAlien 
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Joined: January 17 2006
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 Posted: December 31 2006 at 21:16 |
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Someone should shoot Jacques Chirac.
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markosherrera
Forum Senior Member
Joined: October 01 2006
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Points: 3252
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 21:06 |
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bush is the worst for the humanity ,please someone ought to put a cross over his head and make an exorcism,
Edited by markosherrera - December 31 2006 at 21:09
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DarioIndjic
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Joined: April 15 2005
Location: Universe
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Points: 600
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 22:10 |
Bush is only a puppet like most of world politicians,there is always someone behind everything,blaming him for something is ridiculous,there is a small elite of men who are manipulating this world...
Btw,the worst to me was Bill Clinton because of what he did to Serbian people ,but again,blaming one man...
Edited by DarioIndjic - December 30 2006 at 22:13
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Ars longa , vita brevis
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 14:53 |
 ClemofNazareth wrote:
Normally I wouldn't care about these things, but I'm watching the burial of Gerald Ford which is being played on national television throughout the U.S. right now (and probably elsewhere on CNN). I just think it might show respect for the dead to remove him from the poll for the time being.
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I believe the best sign of respect is having him in the poll and notivcing he has no votes against.
The list includes all the Presidents of the last 40 years (Most of them dead) and I believe that the only one who doesn't has a vote is Ford.
It speaks well about him.
Iván
EDIT: No, Johnson doesn't have a vote either.
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - December 30 2006 at 14:55
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ClemofNazareth
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Joined: August 17 2005
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 14:24 |
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Normally I wouldn't care about these things, but I'm watching the burial of Gerald Ford which is being played on national television throughout the U.S. right now (and probably elsewhere on CNN). I just think it might show respect for the dead to remove him from the poll for the time being.
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus
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bhikkhu
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Joined: April 06 2006
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 13:53 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Sasquamo wrote:
Drew wrote:
In all Honesty- I dont care- I get tired of people on this site bashing the USA. |
More specifically, I'm tired of people from the US bashing their own country on this site. |
I don't understand why people believe that criticizing their leaders for their mistakes is bashing their country, by the contrary, you criticize your leaders because you love your country and are tired of the mess they may be causig.
People who love their country should be the first ones to oppose to the stupid things politicians normally do in any part of the world and a free country must allow this as a cornerstone of freedom.
Look at Chavez in Venezuela, he's closing in May 2007 the only TV station that dares not to agree with him, I rather see people criticizing with honesty their leaders than people saying nothing for ear or greed even when their basic rights are being attacked .
You have to love your countruy to dare to criticize your leaders without fear to vengeance, I'm sure that the owners of the Venezuelan TV station being closed love their country more than those who applaud Chavez for fear to loose their investment.
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Right on buddy. 
It is precisely because I care about my country, that it bothers me to see the government screwing things up so badly.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 12:57 |
Sasquamo wrote:
Drew wrote:
In all Honesty- I dont care- I get tired of people on this site bashing the USA. |
More specifically, I'm tired of people from the US bashing their own country on this site.
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I don't understand why people believe that criticizing their leaders for their mistakes is bashing their country, by the contrary, you criticize your leaders because you love your country and are tired of the mess they may be causing.
People who love their country should be the first ones to oppose to the stupid things politicians normally do in any part of the world and a free country must allow this as a cornerstone of freedom.
Look at Chavez in Venezuela, he's closing in May 2007 the only TV station that dares not to agree with him, I rather see people criticizing with honesty their leaders than people saying nothing for fear or greed even when their basic rights are being attacked .
You have to love your country to dare to criticize your leaders without fear to vengeance, I'm sure that the owners of the Venezuelan TV station being closed love their country more than those who applaud Chavez for fear to loose their investment.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - December 30 2006 at 14:08
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Sasquamo
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Joined: September 26 2006
Location: United States
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Points: 828
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 12:48 |
Drew wrote:
In all Honesty- I dont care- I get tired of people on this site bashing the USA. |
More specifically, I'm tired of people from the US bashing their own country on this site.
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bhikkhu
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 11:29 |
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If you look back at Nixon, he actually got quite a few good things done. So that balances out the other crap he pulled. Reagan was also not that good. His economic policies may have worked in the short term, but it set up an inevitable fall. He also cut education to pieces. Andrew Jackson is way up there, and would have taken the number one spot before 2001. George W. Bush has everyone beat. His list of wrongdoing (and even criminal acts) is just too long.
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Blacksword
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 09:23 |
Dubya, of course..
Bush bashing has been all the rage in the UK since he came to power, basically. I saw a 2007 calander today, consisting of pictures of Dubya and some of his fantastic quotes, like 'Most of our imports now come from abroad' and 'It's certainly a budget. Its got lots of numbers in it'
I can only assume that the US electorate were having a laugh when they voted back in 2000. It's been a great joke, and Bush jr has given us all a few laughs and couple of scares over the last 7 years. I'm gonna miss him when he goes.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Tenken
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Joined: November 25 2006
Location: Chile
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Points: 162
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Posted: December 27 2006 at 18:55 |
I dislike very much Reagan and Nixon! 
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 ˇˇEl Rocanrol no morirá jamás!!
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King of Loss
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Joined: April 21 2005
Location: Boston, MA
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Points: 16430
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Posted: December 25 2006 at 22:51 |
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George W. Bush or Ronald "The King" Reagan
Why Reagan? A lot of problems we have today....
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Scapler
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Posted: December 25 2006 at 13:32 |
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Carter...ugh
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Bassists are deadly
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Jared
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Posted: December 25 2006 at 13:05 |
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I've gone for Nixon...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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markosherrera
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Joined: October 01 2006
Location: World
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Points: 3252
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Posted: December 24 2006 at 20:06 |
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the bush are the worst ,smell like sulphur
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el böthy
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Joined: April 27 2005
Location: Argentina
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Points: 6336
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Posted: December 24 2006 at 19:04 |
George W Bush I guess, as I know how much of an asshole he is, but at the same time dont know much about the others...except Clinton...jejeje, now that was a good President for you USA ...ahhh, cool guy
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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The T
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Posted: December 23 2006 at 23:34 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I'm with Kennedy, his family used everybody to reach the office which president hasn't? , even illegal connections, again, name me the "saint" one.... he started Vietnam that was a disaster waiting to happen... the french already were thrown out, Eisenhower could've started fixing things (While Nixon stopped Vietnam, a paradox) I don't see a paradox, I see a normal consequence of the DEFEAT of the US army... and the pressure of american society.... Nixon bombed Cambodia and planted the roots for the atrocities of the Khmer Rouge and pol pot, remember? When Sihanouk was dethroned and the Khmer Rouge entered Pnohm Phen, it was because the country was DESTROYED thanks to R. Milhaus Nixon, the Bay of Pigs was a stupid movement, but it was not Kennedy to blame, but his Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), who misinformed him and made him aprove of an ill-fated "invasion" but if he was already in it, giving a step back was a sign of weaknes,no, was a sign of reason, his personal behaviour is at least controversial due to his almost public sexual affaires maybe, so..... we prefer a "moralist, christian" like Bush, who in the name of God sends thousands of americans and Iraquis to their deaths? (Happy Birthday Mister President  ).
His personal charisma saved him from chaos. No, he and Bobby saved the world from the nuclear holocaust when they stopped the Army from invading Cuba in the Missile Crisis and made an obscure deal with Kruschev.... Kennedy didn't create Castro, the CIA created him, but mostly, BATISTA. And the MAFIA who made Habana a big casino and whorehouse for the US, giving the revolutionaries the moral push they needed with the people.... I don't like US invading other countries, even if it was to remove Castro. Let every country deal with its own problems. You remember who backed Pinochet? NIXON, due to the advice of Henry Kissinger.
My opinion of course.
And we respect that. that's the great thing about a free society. the one Bush and Cheney want to ERASE. Beleieve me, living here you see every day another proof of the machiavelic stupidity (now that's a contradiction!) they have....
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The T
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Posted: December 23 2006 at 23:22 |
Kennedy was not only charismatic but a believer in democracy, true democracy. His father made a fortune bootlegging alcohol into the US, let's agree on that, but his sons received a great education and, even if just for patronizing purposes or something, they meant good, they were forward-thinking people, not only JFK but Bobby and even much maligned yet very good senator Edawrd Ted Kennedy (very favorable to us latins, I may say). I just don't agree with qualifying presidents because of sex life, that's their private life; I'd rather have a sexomaniac who made the people richer and happier (not in a populist, Chavean way), created jobs and drove his country into the new era than a hypocritical, disguised "moral authority" who, behind the scenes, screws everybody and not only figuratively, but literally; Give me 20 Clintons and not one "Christian" like Bush who, as a "good christian" sends thousands to their deaths because of his oil-and-power-hunger.... Nixon, a paranoid sycho who did a few good things (opened china) but ultimately was a crook (the "checkers" incident was great, watergate a disaster).... Carter was a weakling.... Reagan was a fanatic but had some ideas.... G.H.W. Bush was another religion-crazy president but less fanatic than the current atrocity.... Clinton a great president...I don't care if he had a girl under the desk, HE CREATED JOBS, HAD A SURPLUS.... now when "religion" starts feeding people and stops wars INSTEAD OF CREATING THEM, I'll be all for fanatics.
And Vietnam was not only Kennedy's miscalculation, but Eisenhower's, too.
None remembers good president L.B.Johnson who made incredible reform towards integration and destruction of the segregationist system. He was pressured by society to do so, but he DID IT. Now the "moralists" Bush and Co. are so incredible "righteous", they have scandal after scandal every week. I live in the US, I think you have to live here to have a better perspective of what this idiot is doing.
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video vertigo
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Posted: December 23 2006 at 03:53 |
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I agree with Ivan for the most part, maybe not the worst but from what I've studied he wasn't very good and probably even a bigger crook than Nixon was. Unfortunately good looks and charisma mean more to us than policy, I believe if Kennedy had finished his term and was not assassinated his legacy would have been poor instead of being remembered fondly.
In a related matter I was taught in American history class that during the debates between Kennedy and Nixon a poll was done after the debates and some 80% of americans who watched them on TV thought Kennedy was much better in the debates than Nixon and those who heard the debates on the radio had a staggering majority in believing Nixon won the debates.
Its amazing what good looks and charisma will do for a person.
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"The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa
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Atkingani
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Posted: December 23 2006 at 00:01 |
In reality this poll proves that the American people is much better than their rulers, at least in the last half century (in fact, it seems to happen everywhere). 
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