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Captain Fudge
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Posted: January 16 2005 at 09:02 |
I opened the champagne!!! IT's grrreat news! I've now won 20$ in a bet with my best friend! Can I be certf1ed's sidekick?
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Teenage sucks hard -- Emo sucks even harder
Epic. Simply epic.
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Metropolis
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Posted: January 16 2005 at 08:44 |
Certif1ed wrote:
I find it VERY hard to accept Dream Theater as
prog, when all they seem to do is recycle Metallica, Yes and Joe
Satriani material. Their music is more metal than prog. GET THEM OUT!!!
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This really is a load of cr*p. Being metal doesn't mean that they
sound like Metallica, in fact it was after discovering DT that i gave
up listening to Metallica, when i discovered that there was more to
music than playing the same riff over and over for eight minutes, and
very quickly became profoundly bored of Metallica, tell me cert, is
everyone with a metal sound, in your eyes, simply recycling
Metallica? Is this the extent of your knowledge of metal music?
Now, i REALLY don't get the Yes comment, ok, fair enough, there are
clear Yes INFLUENCES in their music, but you can't honestly tell me
that any of their songs actually sound like Yes, can you? Or is
it that every band with such a gifted keyboardist is recycling Yes?
Finally, they shouldn't be listed along side Satriana just because they
have a shredder in their ranks. Satriana writes songs JUST so he
can solo over them, his lyrics are awful and his music is just plaing
boring, i mean what sort of discerning listener wants to hear 70
minutes of fret w**king? Petrucci on the otherhand IS a decent
lyricist, and although his soloing is occasionally a little over the
top, it is only found in appropriate places in the song, and doesn't go
on so long that the listener just switches off (except perhaps in
places on their new album, but that is only one in eight
studio recordings, and it is only in places).
Way more prog then Radiohead (whose placing in the archives i do not object to)
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slipperman
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Posted: January 16 2005 at 08:42 |
I totally support it.
Radiohead is a rock band >> They have pushed the limits, exanded their sound in multiple ways>> they always challenge the listener (except the very first album, that is) >> they continue to PROGRESS, making cerebral, inventive, adventurous music = Sounds like a prog band to me. They are in the true spirit of prog moreso than a lot of other bands included in the archives.
I"m not going to make excuses for the alterna-geeks and trendies who listen to them, as I thought they successfully shook the pop/alternative pinup boys tag on OK Computer and have been defying the mainstream ever since. Just think of all the preps, jocks and fratboys who listen to Pink Floyd, but they're still prog, no? (I've met a few cool jocks and fratboys, but you know what I mean...)
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gdub411
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Posted: January 16 2005 at 08:19 |
Tell me why Radiohead is here:
A) Because their music is rather simplified altrernative with a little synth to give it atmosphere
B)amateurish, simple, redundant lyrics
C) They're English so why not.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: January 16 2005 at 06:47 |
gdub411 wrote:
Radiohead should NOT be here in the Archives.
This site is losing its ingetrity by the day.![](smileys/smiley11.gif)
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Utter nonsense.
If the Admins decide Radiohead are in, then they SHOULD be in.
This site has GAINED integrity by recognising that prog rock is not anything and everything that sounds like Yes, Genesis or King Crimson.
Bands that simply raid the back catalogue are simply NOT progressive - they are regressive; isn't that obvious? Plus ca change,
Bands that simply are made up of people that used to be in prog bands don't necessarily play prog music - agreed?
But bands that use REAL musicianship to push then envelope of music into interesting and new directions, ignore traditional song structures, chord progressions and lyrical content should at least be given a chance.
The Pink Floyd comparison is fair. There are similarities between OK Computer and DSOTM in non-obvious as well as obvious areas - but there are intelligent people on this site, so I'll let you work it out.
To say that OK Computer is "Indie" is rubbish; The term "Indie" means that the music is released on an independent label. Parlophone is NOT independent, TTBOMK. Otherwise the Beatles were Indie...
And to say that the style of music is "Indie" or "Alternative" (I know what the terms are commonly used to mean...) is not to have listened properly or given the music enough time to sink in. Like the best prog albums, OK Computer can take a while for the hidden agendas to sink in. One of the biggest problems it faces is that so many tracks have been released as singles by a record company hungry for profits, and it has sold huge numbers due to its accessibility.
These are not crimes, and the music is good and progressive.
There are other bands FAR less deserving in the archives, so for God's sake, give Radiohead a break - they probably don't want to be among proggers any more than some of you want them here. But the truth is that their music is among many styles that constitues modern day prog.
I find it VERY hard to accept Dream Theater as prog, when all they seem to do is recycle Metallica, Yes and Joe Satriani material. Their music is more metal than prog. GET THEM OUT!!!
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Radioactive Toy
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Posted: January 16 2005 at 05:27 |
I'm quite curious what our "that's not prog" nihilist philippe has to say about this
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BebieM
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Posted: January 16 2005 at 03:43 |
Is it put between ** because people are still working on adding all the albums and putting it all together, or is it gonna stay like that??
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Sweetnighter
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Posted: January 16 2005 at 00:48 |
an interesting development indeed!!
i love how their only quasi- in the archives. the ** is cute! I have to
hand it to the mods, that was inventive. That way the pro-radiohead
people can go "yay yay their prog!" yet any newcomers to prog won't
find them in the archives, not easily anyway. Nice compromise! I'm sure
it'll fail and lead to civil war. Anybody here know american history?
Cute too how only OK Computer is there as a prog album. What about
Genesis' 80s material, or the first Rush album? Prog? Certainly not,
yet Radiohead has every other album aside from OK omitted. Maybe the
others albums just haven't been put in yet and i'm jumping the gun.
I'm not trying to bash anybody, don't get me wrong, I just think the
whole thing is a little silly now. I guess I cared when I made the poll
a while back, but now it really doesn't matter. I feel we spend way too
much time on this forum trying to classify the music rather than
discuss it, which is sort of unfortunate I think. Okay, I'm sure
somebody will call me a hypocrite, since really I am being hypocritical
in this particular instance, but now that I've actually seen some
change as a result of all the discussion about it, it just doesn't seem
to matter as much.
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I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die.
"Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend
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gdub411
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Posted: January 16 2005 at 00:07 |
Chill on the DB bashing guys.
Radiohead should NOT be here in the Archives.
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Matt0001
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 23:52 |
If you see the lineage of prog as a straight line from, say, Yes to
Rush to Dream Theater, then, yes, Radiohead are not very prog. But
there is an easy to see line of influence from bands like Can and Faust
and even Pink Floyd to Radiohead. Radiohead are not about
extented suites and solos, but they are definitely about creating
texture and mood. They are by far one of the most musically intriguing
bands of recent years. I don't see this as a slippery slope to calling
any remotely talented band prog, but rather an acknowledgement that
progressive music is more than just athletic guitar solos.
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Garion81
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 22:51 |
tuxon wrote:
Texan Words of Wisdom The Cowboys' Practical Philosophy
There are three kinds of men -- The ones that learns by readin', the few who learns by observation, and the rest of 'em just have to piss on the electric fence for themselves..
When you give a lesson in meanness to a person or critter, don't be surprised if they learn the lesson.
You can't make someone love you. All you can do is stalk 'em and hope they panic and give in.
If you find yerself in a hole, the first thing to do is quit diggin'
What ever they told you -- you are naked if you're wearin' nothin' but a hat.
Never miss a good chance to shut up
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Don't forget to listen to both kinds of music country and western!
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"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?"
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threefates
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 21:34 |
Reed drools over all the boys here... Gdub has worn off on him....
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THIS IS ELP
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Petra
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 21:12 |
Heh! Well in the words of Radiohead i'm gonna EXIT
You can laugh A spineless laugh We hope that your rules and wisdom choke you Now we are one In everlasting peace
We hope that you choke.. that you choke We hope that you choke.. that you choke We hope that you choke.. that you choke
G'night
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Don't hate me
I'm not special like you
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tuxon
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 21:07 |
I think he's got a way with words.
At least he got away with them for the time being
BTW I don't drool, I salivate
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Petra
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 21:05 |
Haha ..what are you both doing up at 2am anyway??
Can't sleep?
Drooling over the Texan too eh?
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Don't hate me
I'm not special like you
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Reed Lover
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 21:03 |
Texan Limo
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Reed Lover
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 21:02 |
This is the picture of himself that he posted in the Rogues gallery Thread:
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tuxon
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 21:00 |
Texan Words of Wisdom The Cowboys' Practical Philosophy
There are three kinds of men -- The ones that learns by readin', the few who learns by observation, and the rest of 'em just have to piss on the electric fence for themselves..
When you give a lesson in meanness to a person or critter, don't be surprised if they learn the lesson.
You can't make someone love you. All you can do is stalk 'em and hope they panic and give in.
If you find yerself in a hole, the first thing to do is quit diggin'
What ever they told you -- you are naked if you're wearin' nothin' but a hat.
Never miss a good chance to shut up
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I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT
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Petra
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 20:59 |
Reed Lover wrote:
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Not only do you like Radiohead, but you keep mentioning the Texan t**ser!
You got a thing for Dallas Cowboys?
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I think he is quite amusing and he has a love of German bands, but saying that I have to read his posts about 4 times before I understand what he means, and even then i'm not entirely sure...
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Don't hate me
I'm not special like you
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Reed Lover
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 20:52 |
![](http://joanongovernment.homestead.com/files/hammock_man_relaxing_lg_clr.gif)
Not only do you like Radiohead, but you keep mentioning the Texan t**ser!
You got a thing for Dallas Cowboys?
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