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erik neuteboom View Drop Down

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Posted: March 18 2006 at 03:39

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DAY!

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Posted: March 18 2006 at 03:04

SATURDAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. The Hague, rise and shine, wake up, Progconvention is here, bringing you loads of goodies from Germany, La France, Old England, Belgium and the home country.

Yeah !!!!!!

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Posted: March 17 2006 at 23:28

you lucky b*****ds

Have fun!

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Posted: March 17 2006 at 23:25

TOMORROW!

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Posted: March 17 2006 at 20:27

Ah, thanks Tony, erm, I guess it's best to hear it pronounced!

I'm not sure what the difference is between zu/zur to von in German anyhow, I thought they translated as similar, can someone help me with this?

But yes, ten and t may well be a translation of zu/zur in Dutch.

I know how Ed de Gooey is pronounced, does that help? Like an H sound? Or is that wrong?

You're language is very guttural, I know that. I could maybe ask my mate Dave, he lived in Holland when in his teenage years.

An interesting subject though, so thanks for the replies, they're much appreciated.

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Posted: March 17 2006 at 12:13

Geck0, "s Gravenhage is pronounced : sgravenhage, the first g's are a bit of gutteral sounds, like short growling. The only other country that uses similar sounds I know of is Israel. The a sounds a bit different then the English a. A bit like the a in banana.

ten, t are zu,zur I think ? Other name for 's Gravenhage beginning the same I don't know that one.

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Posted: March 17 2006 at 12:12

Joren wrote:

glass house wrote:

To all : will somebody take a dig.camera along ?

I don't have one!

ANYONE ELSE??

Yes, we need one if we want to publish pics.

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Posted: March 17 2006 at 12:07

Syzygy wrote:

OK, I'm in Den Haag and I've found a room just by Den Haag CS. So far so good...

Incidentally, the UK has a couple of extremely small cities, Kirkwall in the Orkneys being a prime example.

Hi Chris!

Tell us all!

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Posted: March 17 2006 at 12:06

glass house wrote:

To all : will somebody take a dig.camera along ?

I don't have one!

ANYONE ELSE??

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Posted: March 17 2006 at 11:36

I think the smallest is that one in Wales, St. something.

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Posted: March 17 2006 at 11:19

OK, I'm in Den Haag and I've found a room just by Den Haag CS. So far so good...

Incidentally, the UK has a couple of extremely small cities, Kirkwall in the Orkneys being a prime example.

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Posted: March 17 2006 at 11:07

Trotsky wrote:

Enjoy yourselves, people ... and remember what I said about stealing from Hugues music collection!

Only roughly some 5% of it in Holland, the rest is in Brussels, safely out of reach of prog scoundrels

I usually bring week by week to Holland my listening needs/programme and bring it to Brussels back once I am through

Still ,they will find quite a bit of interesting Cd's

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keep our sand-castle virtues
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prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword

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Posted: March 17 2006 at 10:57

Haha, yes, bring me back some music from Hugues collection and sneak it to me somehow... I won't tell if you won't.

I was told once the village I live in was the biggest village in Europe, I think they maybe meant that in terms of growth, rather than population, but I do not know how official this statement was.

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Posted: March 17 2006 at 07:56

Enjoy yourselves, people ... and remember what I said about stealing from Hugues music collection!

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Posted: March 17 2006 at 07:47

erik neuteboom wrote:

In the Second World War the Dutch tested the German spies by letting them pronounce: 's Gravenhage and Scheveningen (part of The Hague that is situated along the coast) because Germans have huge difficulties by saying 's Gr and Sch so many times their real nationality was revealed!

By the way, officially Den Haag is still a village because it never got "city rights" .. ..

If in Holland exists the biggest village of the world>>> Den Haag

In Belgium, ( not far away from my Ardennes Hideout) we have the smallest city in the world >>> Durbuy is 700 inhabitants

It was already a city in medieval age, with the small population of around 900

it just never grew bigger (the geographical situation is not easy) and still has a look of the medieval city of then.

let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword

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Posted: March 17 2006 at 06:58

By the way, officially Den Haag is still a village because it never got "city rights" .. ..

Anyway, tomorrow will be the Prog Archives meeting, I am looking forward to it! The idea is also great because we started to know each other behind the computer, visited The Forum and this has culminated into a European Prog Archives Meeting in my hometown Den Haag, incredible, also because Glasshouse live 10 minutes away from me and fellow Dutchman Joren joins the meeting too. And then the progheads from the UK, Belgium, France and Germany, known for their frequent contributions on The Forum, they have decided to come to Den Haag in order to join all Prog Archives Progheads, PICTURES PLEASE!!

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Posted: March 17 2006 at 06:30

I read somewhere also there is another name for 's-Gravenhage, starting with 's- any ideas?

Oh and how is that 's- pronounced? Is it just silent, or is it a corruption from Des Graven Hage?

Some surnames are hard to fathom too, because I do not know the language... I obviously know "van" and "van de/van den", but what about "ten" and "t'"? Are they more equivalent to "zu/zur" in German?

I do a lot of genealogy work, so I was just curious, as I have come a cross a lot of different Dutch names over the years (no, I do not have any Dutch ancestry or even distance relatives), I am just interested in such things.

But yes, I can wait for replies, have fun guys and girls and as Jim says, lots of photographs please!

I am sure

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Posted: March 17 2006 at 05:46

Have a great time you all!

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Posted: March 17 2006 at 04:36

glass house wrote:

Geck0, yes to some part it has to do with status. Den Haag is more for common people and the other description , is more for the rich folk. Although it is more of an issue for those who refer to Den Haag as the other way around. The word graven in 's- Gravenhage refers to the old days and is translated into count. The part hage is something like a place to live. I hope I got that right. I'm not a historian. Anyway it is not that big an issue here in The Hague.

But even more unexplicable is that some want to be called Hagenees and not Hagenaar. Both are translatend as inhabitant of The Hague.

Yup but in different touristical guidebooks to get to the part of this city

you can either look at:

Haag, Den or

Den Haag or

's- Gravenhage

ansd this is not only confusing but also frustrating because whatever you do , you will find the entry last after having checked up the other two whatever the order may be.

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prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 03:25

Have a good one you guys - remember, pictures are required!

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