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Carakhallo 
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 Posted: February 15 2006 at 10:48 |
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Well, this is a difficult question... It's true that you can find
different prog styles in Spain, as many people (including myself) have
already said. Of course, you can say every Spanish prog band is a part
of what we could call "Spanish prog" because they where formed in
Spain, but their styles can be very different. The bands from the north
used to play folk-prog with some spanish ingredients (typical form the
north of Spain)... but some bands from many other countries include the
typical sounds of their countries in their music. Then, we could also
talk about french prog, nordic prog and so on...
The thing is in the south of Spain many bands played (and some still
play) "Prog Andaluz", a fantastic blend of flamenco and prog-rock. Here
I agree with Erik, THIS is the style that should be created, maybe not
such a BIG term as "Spanish prog" including every Spanish band, but
"Prog Andaluz" or something like that. I think this style deserves to
be considered as a new branch of progressive rock.
After all, Iceberg, Atila, NHU, Eduardo Bort, Canarios... are good
bands, but they played a different style and most of them could be from
a different country and we wouldn't realise it. But if you listen to
one band playing that "Prog Andaluz" you know without any doubt that
they are not only Spanish, but from the SOUTH of Spain. That's SO
important and I guess it's the more characteristic prog style, the one
that represents in the best way the region where it was born.
That "Prog Andaluz" of the 70s gave rise to "Rock Andaluz" in the 80s,
a subgenre that already exists and everybody in Spain has heard about
it. So I think it's unfair, now it's time to talk about "PROG Andaluz"
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Sean Trane
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 10:46 |
 erik neuteboom wrote:
My proposal is to vote in the Special Collabrorations zone for an addition of the Prog Andaluz, bands that blend flamenco/Morish climates and progressive rock like Triana, Cai, Medina Azahara, Azahar, Guadalquivir and Alameda but not bands like Ithoiz Gothic and Granada. Because they blend folk and prog, like Los Jaivas and some Chilean, Argentine and Brasilian progrock bands, but not that distinctive and widespread to deserve a new catgory as the Prog Andaluz bands. What about this Sean (and others)? |
As I stated elsewhere , Flamenco is also a folk music to the same extent that Basque music is and celtic. so in a way flamenco-influenced prog groups could fit the prog folk genre
I personnally would tell you that Triana and its followers be included between those two choices
a) symphonic prog (my suggestion)
b) prog folk (second guess)
rather than creating a new category for some maximum 20 groups concerned
Zeuhl, Canterbury are already small enough genres as they are as is Post Rock, but all these genres have historical significance as well widely adopted and well established.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Pagasarri
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 10:22 |
erik neuteboom wrote:
My proposal is to vote in the Special Collabrorations zone for an addition of the Prog Andaluz, bands that blend flamenco/Morish climates and progressive rock like Triana, Cai, Medina Azahara, Azahar, Guadalquivir and Alameda but not bands like Ithoiz Gothic and Granada. Because they blend folk and prog, like Los Jaivas and some Chilean, Argentine and Brasilian progrock bands, but not that distinctive and widespread to deserve a new catgory as the Prog Andaluz bands. What about this Sean (and others)? |
Mmmm that sound interesting. It is true that what characterize most spanish prog bands is their blend of prog rock and flamenco. But, spain has very differences between regions (at least refering to music ). For example, the northern part of spain; Galicia has a very particular kind of folk, mainly influenced by celtic music and Basque country has their unique type of instruments, like "txistu" (a kind of flute). In addition, it's very easy to distinguised galician folk to basque or whatever type of folk in spain. What i mean is that there is a very diversity in folk music in spain that can be mix with prog, not only flamenco, but also galician, basuqe, asturian, catolonia, etc. and that diversity is what I understand of "spanish prog". So, i think every spanish band should be incluided in that category: spanish prog Perhaps it's a bit radical, isn't it?  
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wooty
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 09:11 |
T-BONE wrote:
WHY??? |
because to live in a vacume would be to
learn nothing. The man is trying to bring awareness to some great music
that few people know about.
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"We turn and turn in the animal belly, the mineral belly, the belly of time. To find the way out: the poem."
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 09:06 |
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My proposal is to vote in the Special Collabrorations zone for an addition of the Prog Andaluz, bands that blend flamenco/Morish climates and progressive rock like Triana, Cai, Medina Azahara, Azahar, Guadalquivir and Alameda but not bands like Ithoiz Gothic and Granada. Because they blend folk and prog, like Los Jaivas and some Chilean, Argentine and Brasilian progrock bands, but not that distinctive and widespread to deserve a new catgory as the Prog Andaluz bands. What about this Sean (and others)?
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Sean Trane
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 07:03 |
erik neuteboom wrote:
My problem with naming Spanish prog just Spanish prog is the problem that, in my opinion, Italian prog is a special category on Prog Archives but I wonder what typical Italian prog is? I love the Italian prog because it blends so wonderfully elements from ELP, King Crimson, Genesis and VDGG with their lush classical tradition but which bands are typical Italian and why? Are these Museo Rosenbach, Le Orme and Banco or more complex and adventurous bands like Latte E Miele and Osanna and Area? Or Semiramis or ..? As I stated in other threads (Mike's and yours in the collab zone), I (and quite a few members too, even including you  ) do not think Italian prog deserves its own category and I am all for suppressing it and melting those Italian-styled Symphonic prog bands into symphonic rock
For me typical Spanish prog is the blend of flamenco (one of the most known ethnic styles in the world) and progressive rock that emerged, as I earlier said, in the second part of The Seventies, speerheaded by Triana.
I am not stubborn, no ,no,no,no(yes yesyesyes ).... , dear Sean, but I have a strong opinion about this subject, build upon strong facts. But I am only giving my opinion, if the majority is not OK with me (and the reactions in this topic) then there will not be a new category but it's not consequent to maintain the special Italian progrock section again I agree with you , but it is one thing to stop creating a new category rather than suppressing an existing one is my conclusion after reading the many reactions.
To be continued?
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 06:37 |
My problem with naming Spanish prog just Spanish prog is the problem that, in my opinion, Italian prog is a special category on Prog Archives but I wonder what typical Italian prog is? I love the Italian prog because it blends so wonderfully elements from ELP, King Crimson, Genesis and VDGG with their lush classical tradition but which bands are typical Italian and why? Are these Museo Rosenbach, Le Orme and Banco or more complex and adventurous bands like Latte E Miele and Osanna and Area? Or Semiramis or ..?
For me typical Spanish prog is the blend of flamenco (one of the most known ethnic styles in the world) and progressive rock that emerged, as I earlier said, in the second part of The Seventies, speerheaded by Triana.
I am not stubborn, no,no,no,no .... , dear Sean, but I have a strong opinion about this subject, build upon strong facts. But I am only giving my opinion, if the majority is not OK with me (and the reactions in this topic) then there will not be a new category but it's not consequent to maintain the speccial Italian progrock section is my conclusion after reading the many reactions.
To be continued?
By the way, Martinprog77, I am not really into the kind of music like Rata Blanca but feel free to write a review for this site.
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martinprog77
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 06:17 |
THE THING THAT I DONT LIKE IS THAT YOU ARE PUTTING TO MANY CATEGORIES[FLAMENGO FUSSION PROG ANDALUZ WHATEVER]WHY DONT YOU JUST CALL PROG-SPANISH ROCK[DONT MATTER WHERE ARE FROM IS THE LANGUAJE ] .....OH AND DONT COME ME WITH THE CATALAN OR VASCO THING OK
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martinprog77
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 06:08 |
OK CRUSIS IS REALLY COOL AND RATA BLANCA IS JUST SOOOO GOOD[THEY ARE FROM ARGENTINA ALSO].THEY SOUND KIND LIKE YNGWIE MALMSTEEN AND THEIR USE TO HAVE A SINGER[ ADRIAN BALLIRARI] WHO SOUNDS LIKE BRUCE DICKINSON,BUT BETTER.THEY ARE HEAVY-PROG METAL.TRY TO GET 'ADAS ESPADAS Y ROSAS'OR THEIR LAST DVD LIVE IN ARGENTINA THEY HAD IN THAT ONE A SPECIAL GUESS[GLENN HUGHES]AND PLAY 4 DEEP PURPLE MARKIII SONGS
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Sean Trane
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 06:00 |
Youare a stubborn man, Erik
And I admire your dedication
BUT
Simkim wrote:
Related to the argument about if Spanish prog should be a separated category, I think the issue is rather complex, as there isn't a unique spanish sound, but no less than three different scenes: one with elements of flamenco fussion (principally from Andalusia, although those influencies were depeloped in more places); the Basque prog-rock (strongly folky); and, finally, the another one made in Catalonia, where there was a prevalence of jazz/rock bands, as a folk component too (called rock laietano). I don't definitively see neither the homogeneity nor the number of bands enough to consider the Spanish prog rock as a separated scene, like the Italian one.
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This is the best analysis I read so far about the 70's scene
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 05:19 |
Hello Martinprog77.
I don't know the band Rata Blanca (can you tell something about it?) and Crusis was from Argentina while this topic is about Spanish prog.
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martinprog77
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 05:16 |
HOW COME YOU DONT INCLUDE RATA BLANCA OR CRUSIS
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 04:08 |
Which recommended albums you have ordered, Micky?
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micky
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 18:12 |
it's definitley stimulating my interest, was highly impressed with Los
Canarios anyway. The information you've shared has piqued my
further curiousity hahahah. I've ordered 3 of the recommended albums and can't wait to hear them.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 14:21 |
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if you want to discover the Spanish Prog, start with the CD compilation Rockandalus, I have just published it on this site! Muchas alegrias, adios!
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: February 13 2006 at 12:45 |
Thanks for your reactions, I think that Drew share his 'not knowing Spanish Prog' with many progheads on this site. Some even declared that only a few bands blended flamenco and progrock. These people should first investigate the Prog Andaluz and then give their opinion .. .. I have created this thread in order to give attention to one of the most interesting and exciting progrock categories, I hope it will lead many progheads to a Prog Andaluz Heaven !
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Drew
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Posted: February 13 2006 at 12:36 |
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is it bad that I've never heard of ANY of these albums?
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: February 13 2006 at 12:31 |
You mean the category or the music ?
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Carakhallo
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Posted: February 13 2006 at 10:24 |
PROG ANDALUZ sounds great, Erik!
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DallasBryan
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Posted: February 12 2006 at 22:41 |
SALSA PROG!
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Spanish prog!
