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Points: 21163 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2005 at 05:17

Originally posted by AbsentEnemy AbsentEnemy wrote:

Ron Thal. Hands down. He's the only guitarist who can still impress me solely by playing fast. Most shredders, you hear them once, you've heard all they can do. But Ron manages to consistently push boundaries of what is possible on a guitar.

For an example listen to the song 'Real' off his new album. The solo is out of this world. If you google it you should a site where you can hear it.
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Originally posted by decypher decypher wrote:

by todays measures Malmsteen is absolutely average, even in his few well practised shapes. there are so many b-class bands like symphony x, adiago or whatever that have the same stuff

I'm still impressed by Petrucci's speed in the solo in Afterlife, just before the key/synth harmonic part begins, just <2 seconds but it's incredible.

"Mediterranean Sundance" by Al di Meola and Paco De Lucia is cool....

Ron Jarzombeks guitar playing on WatchTowers "Fall of Reason" has an extremely tight and steady speed, the intro, the riffs, hm...



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TONY MACALPINE-QUARTER TO MIDNIGHT especially the part at 0:46 !!!!!!!! One of the fastest things I've ever heard!

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A lot of guys can play really, really fast; it's hard to say who's played the fastest. Besides, speed is only a portion of what makes a guitar solo great. John Petrucci, for example, plays ridiculously fast, but he articulates every note, and plays it with tons of emotion; he makes every note count. Mikael Akerfeldt may not be as fast as Malmsteen, but I find his solos way more appealing. He has a phenominal tone, and he too, like Petrucci, makes every note count. I find a lot of Malmsteens solos to be boring.
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Points: 76 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2005 at 00:46
Ron Thal. Hands down. He's the only guitarist who can still impress me solely by playing fast. Most shredders, you hear them once, you've heard all they can do. But Ron manages to consistently push boundaries of what is possible on a guitar.

For an example listen to the song 'Real' off his new album. The solo is out of this world. If you google it you should a site where you can hear it.
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Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Speed is overrated for me... I like fast guitarrist but in the vein of Slash, Page, Blackmore and Fripp...the ultra speedy Ibanez guitarist such as Vai are quite boring, for me that is! ...and Malmsteen is an asshole and plays the same solo over and over again...I saw him in the G3 dvd...could not take more than 2 songs

From what I'd heard from Steve Vai and Malmsteen, I'd definitely agree with you. Sounded like very un-creative stuff - and the same old riffing over and over and over again.

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by todays measures Malmsteen is absolutely average, even in his few well practised shapes. there are so many b-class bands like symphony x, adiago or whatever that have the same stuff

I'm still impressed by Petrucci's speed in the solo in Afterlife, just before the key/synth harmonic part begins, just <2 seconds but it's incredible.

"Mediterranean Sundance" by Al di Meola and Paco De Lucia is cool....

Ron Jarzombeks guitar playing on WatchTowers "Fall of Reason" has an extremely tight and steady speed, the intro, the riffs, hm...
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

^ Satch fast?

Isn't that JUST  a bad joke?

Yeah, on some parts, he might be fast. But usually I think he's going for "emotion" or something silly like that. ....

Except he FAILS MISERABLY

He's pretty good when he tries to go fast though.
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Fast guitar master=John Mclaughlin!

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QUOTE] Amen! He's got my vote. Not a shredder but still...
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Talking about the fastest gun in the west......

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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

^ Satch fast?

Isn't that JUST  a bad joke?

Yeah, on some parts, he might be fast. But usually I think he's going for "emotion" or something silly like that. ....
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^ which Pace de Lucia albums would you recommend? There are a few available on Napster ...
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I'd go with Yngwie in terms of speed, but as a guitarist he's BORING as hell. I went to see him, and he just kept doing the same thing over and over again. It didn't even "get old," it was old from the second the concert started. I don't care about how technical it is, a flurry of one thousand meaningless notes in the space of a minute doesn't impress me. Music is all about self-restraint in my opinion, and that's Yngwie's huge failing.

I've also seen Steve Vai in concert, and, like MikeEnRegalia said (and I do remember having agreed with him previously), I've seen Vai in concert, and he should not be ranked anywhere near people like Malmsteen or Michael Angelo Batio. I saw him at G3 with Fripp and Satch, and he was amazing. The crowd was giving him a standing ovation after every song. He expresses himself musically, and he isn't just about speed, as there were, believe it or not, quite a few slow songs. One ballad in particular was his finest moment of the night, incredibly expressive playing. While I would not buy his albums as it's not the type of music that I would listen to at home, he's one of the best live guitarists I've seen, and I've seen some of the most talented guitarists ever (Pat Metheny, Paco de Lucia, Fripp, Steve Hackett).

Paco de Lucia scares the sh*t out of me because he can play faster than all the shredders, except on CLASSICAL guitar, using his fingers! The same thing with Pat Metheny, because he can also play faster than the shredders, except that he does it while improvising over extremely complex harmonies, and he plays things that are very awkward for the fingers, unlike your typical metal shred solo which uses scales that are pretty linear. He also uses guitars built for jazz, which are considerably harder to play than the types of guitars that metal players use.



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Points: 16310 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2005 at 20:41
john mclaughlin and paco de lucia
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Points: 21163 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2005 at 20:40
^ Here we go again. Listen to Vai again ... he's NOT about speed. Just because one plays an Ibanez does not mean he's a mindless shredder.
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Points: 6336 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2005 at 20:34
Speed is overrated for me... I like fast guitarrist but in the vein of Slash, Page, Blackmore and Fripp...the ultra speedy Ibanez guitarist such as Vai are quite boring, for me that is! ...and Malmsteen is an asshole and plays the same solo over and over again...I saw him in the G3 dvd...could not take more than 2 songs
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Points: 249 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2005 at 20:03

Guitar solo on Deep Purple's (studio) "Child in Time". 1970. Also my favorite guitar solo ever. Unusually fast playing, yet the solo is sufficiently long and satisfying. That solo by Ritchie Blackmore gets 6-stars on a five-star scale.

Also, notice how the guitar solo on "Dancing With the Moonlit Knight" - Genesis and three year later - sounds like an abbreviated spin-off of it.

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Points: 169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2005 at 19:59

Well you all know it takes 100 guitarrists to change a light bulb.  One to do the changing and 99 to say they can do it faster...

Anyway, Yngwie and the guy from Racer X, Paul Gilbert top my list.
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JOHN PETRUCCI in "Bombay Vindaloo" from the "LIVE AT THE MARQUEE" album.
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