PA the only site to recognize J-R Fusion as Prog?

David_D wrote: Now when we're talking about all these things, I have to say that I really don't understand why ProgArchives is not said to be a site for progressive music. I think that it would make much more sense and much easier to expand stylistically - if that is wished much.

That will really open the floodgates. Thousands of jazz artist 1960-2024 will qualify, A LOT of 20th century Classical/Avantgarde, Avant/Abstract Hip-Hop, most art pop, all experimental music like noise, drone...

MikeEnRegalia wrote: "prog takes conventional music of a given genre and expands on it in terms of musical prowess, experimentation, grandeur, complexity, improvisation, lyrical depth etc.. usually in more than one of these dimensions."

IMHO that's simply a definition of experimental music.

Prog, and especially prog rock imo isn't just that. What for me separates prog rock from any other kind of experimental rock music is that in addition to the complex and unconventional elements, in has to in some way also reference the progressive rock classics.

^ I was only taking a casual swing at the definition, feel free to expand 

MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ Ok, here's yet another attempt to define "prog" in a short paragraph: "prog takes conventional music of a given genre and expands on it in terms of musical prowess, experimentation, grandeur, complexity, improvisation, lyrical depth etc.. usually in more than one of these dimensions."

^ Ok, here's yet another attempt to define "prog" in a short paragraph:

I've never been on the JR/T team nor have I seen it said what the derivation was, but I see it as denoting a separation, and I see it as related, and overlapping. Of course PA does it with a few categories that have relations. Jazz Fusion that incorporates rock and Jazz-Rock are commonly treated as different entities and that category includes both.

I think most any genre can have progressive music within it, and of course genres can overlap and fuse with other genres, which in itself can be very progressive.

I commonly include "art", "experimental" and "progressive" music together.

A little digression... I had wanted to make a site years ago that focused on modern (say 1950 up) art, experimental and progressive music. This would include modern classical, art music, electronic, folkly, rocky, art pop..., post-punk jazz and jazzy music and more, more, more.. Sun Ra would be there, so would Stockhausen, so would King Crimson, Laurie Anderson, Velvet Underground etc. etc. If it weren't for this forum, I would find PA too limited in scope, despite its great variety, to maintain my interest for all of these years.

By the way, and I am expressing myself badly, the fusion of genres is such a common characteristic of Progressive Rock that including Jazz-Rock Fusion especially seems a good fit (but not all need apply). Already taking jazz qualities if common in well recognised and more stereotypical in style symph rock bands. And many jazz bands took a similar route by incorporating rock and other genres.

Basically as Mike said, I say that Prog and JRF intersect, and they overlap. It all is or all isn't presents a false dichotomy. There's a spectrum etc.

^ If it's an actual tree (where all elements have only one parent), I'd like to see how you square rock/metal and prog/non-prog ... I think it's a major challenge 

cstack3 wrote: Do you then consider JRF as a part of prog?

Sure. Everything is prog now, including the Archies.