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^ Well, I guess those results come from one of PP's polls, so they have no representative value whatsoever, but only for those who think they have, so saying that those bands are "The 15 most popular European bands" is ludicrous.

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^I'm slightly surprised to see Eloy so low! They're very well loved on this site. I get that people have issues with the vocals, but I enjoy them
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Britain no longer part of Europe? That will be news to map-makers
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The 15 most popular European bands, not including post-Brexit Britain who are no longer part of Europe, politically speaking. Smile

01. PFM (148 points)
01. Tangerine Dream (143 points)
03. Magma (126 points)
04. Riverside (120 points) 
05. Wobbler (89 points)
06. Area (78 points)
06. Banco del Mutuo Soccorso (78 points)
08. Univers Zero (77 points)
09. Can (69 points)
10. Amon Dull II (67 points)

11. Anekdoten (65 points)
12. Eloy (61 points)
13. Art Zoyd (46 points)
14. Focus (41 points)
15. The Flower Kings (35 points)
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

When looking at the two toplists, I've made on basis of all the ratings on RYM and PA, these are the countries which have got most post-1990s albums on these two toplists if seen together:

1. USA - 26 albums (11 from '00s and 15 from the '10s)
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The number of albums are rather close to the number of different bands.

The highest rated American bands are:

Tool
The Mars Volta
Mastodon
Maudlin of the Well
Swans
Kayo Dot
Phideaux
Between the Buried and Me
Vektor
Transatlantic
Spock's Beard
Blood Incantation
Dream Theater
Discipline
The Deer Hunter
Birds and Buildings
Echolyn


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                      quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Originally posted by Chiyo Chiyo wrote:

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^^With a population smaller than Minnesota, the density of relatively known progressive rock acts from Norway is probably unmatched. That's unless there's one modern, profilic prog rock act from either Liechtenstein, San Marino or Andorra...
What about the Big Big Train? Sure, they've been around for 34 years now; their original frontman died, so I can understand that some people might hesitate to put them in the modern cell, but they are active葉he below live video was filmed in 2022葉heir take on prog-rock music is still modern, and any Norwegian prog-rock band that is on the scene now is not even close to Big Big Train.
What about what? So your argument is that one AOR-like, not genuinely progressive band that I'm totally indifferent (or rather, I dislike their music) to is bigger than a whole national scene with myriads of active bands? An argument for UK would have to be about their vibrant Windmill-scene. And not a band you personally enjoy formed in 1990 with 23 000 monthly listeners on Spotify.

BBT are genuinely progressive with a small 'p'. They do a lot of long form tracks with lyrics based on English history. Putting them in AOR is unfair and very inaccurate. I know them may seem 'prog lite' to many but they mean a lot to me and many others.
Ok, sorry. I could easily have gotten my point across without sharing my impression of them. I listen to - and love plenty of AOR btw, so it may have appeared meaner than my intention was. 
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NORWAY!!!
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When looking at the two toplists, I've made on basis of all the ratings on RYM and PA, these are the countries which have got most post-1990s albums on these two toplists if seen together:

1. USA - 26 albums (11 from '00s and 15 from the '10s)
2. UK - 13 albums (4 from '00s and 9 from the '10s)
3. Norway - 11 albums (4 from '00s and 7 from the '10s)
4. Sweden - 10 albums (3 from '00s and 7 from the '10s)

The number of albums are rather close to the number of different bands.
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Seems someone is trolling, and I think I know who. All the videos, and of course the comments are utterly ridiculous.
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Originally posted by Chiyo Chiyo wrote:

Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

The UK, obviously!
Indeed, it is still unmatchable!



yeo really good band but not that significant sadly
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Chiyo Chiyo wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^^With a population smaller than Minnesota, the density of relatively known progressive rock acts from Norway is probably unmatched. That's unless there's one modern, profilic prog rock act from either Liechtenstein, San Marino or Andorra...
What about the Big Big Train? Sure, they've been around for 34 years now; their original frontman died, so I can understand that some people might hesitate to put them in the modern cell, but they are active葉he below live video was filmed in 2022葉heir take on prog-rock music is still modern, and any Norwegian prog-rock band that is on the scene now is not even close to Big Big Train.
What about what? So your argument is that one AOR-like, not genuinely progressive band that I'm totally indifferent (or rather, I dislike their music) to is bigger than a whole national scene with myriads of active bands? An argument for UK would have to be about their vibrant Windmill-scene. And not a band you personally enjoy formed in 1990 with 23 000 monthly listeners on Spotify.

BBT are genuinely progressive with a small 'p'. They do a lot of long form tracks with lyrics based on English history. Putting them in AOR is unfair and very inaccurate. I know them may seem 'prog lite' to many but they mean a lot to me and many others.
It's debateable as to when they became an actual band. It was Andy Poole's and Greg Spawton's project and they would use session musicians. English Electric changed that somewhat and they started properly playing as a band around 2014 and had their first proper settled line up for the albums The Underfall Yard (2009) through to 2019's The Grand Tour. That's when I see them as a proper band and not just a hobby. Does that make them modern? Yes I would say so. They have been succesful as well. Does it mean UK is the top for prog, erm no not at all. (also 2 of their members are from the good ole USA!)


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Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

The UK, obviously!
Indeed, it is still unmatchable!
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Chiyo Chiyo wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

back to what is a definition of prog which regularly comes round/
Even if we throw the prog umbrella wide open, we will find modern bands in England that the Norwegians have not even come close to.







erm wtf? I just hear a lot of ambient music and a very annoying repeating video.

Yep London has a good few 'underground' bands no doubt. I'm always pleased to see young musicians having a go at least and they may eventually mature into good bands. The Norway scene is already there and has many great musicians. I don't think something like Seven Impale - Summit is even particularly derivative. That would have been my favourite album any other year but for Zopp (from Nottingham, UK)




And in Scotland there is also a band whose quality is an unattainable dream for Norwegians.


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Originally posted by Chiyo Chiyo wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

back to what is a definition of prog which regularly comes round/
Even if we throw the prog umbrella wide open, we will find modern bands in England that the Norwegians have not even come close to.







erm wtf? I just hear a lot of ambient music and a very annoying repeating video.

Yep London has a good few 'underground' bands no doubt. I'm always pleased to see young musicians having a go at least and they may eventually mature into good bands. The Norway scene is already there and has many great musicians. I don't think something like Seven Impale - Summit is even particularly derivative. That would have been my favourite album any other year but for Zopp (from Nottingham, UK)
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Chiyo Chiyo wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^^With a population smaller than Minnesota, the density of relatively known progressive rock acts from Norway is probably unmatched. That's unless there's one modern, profilic prog rock act from either Liechtenstein, San Marino or Andorra...
What about the Big Big Train? Sure, they've been around for 34 years now; their original frontman died, so I can understand that some people might hesitate to put them in the modern cell, but they are active葉he below live video was filmed in 2022葉heir take on prog-rock music is still modern, and any Norwegian prog-rock band that is on the scene now is not even close to Big Big Train.
a band you personally enjoy formed in 1990 
Alright, then something novel from England that the Norwegians can't even be comparable to:
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Chiyo Chiyo wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^^With a population smaller than Minnesota, the density of relatively known progressive rock acts from Norway is probably unmatched. That's unless there's one modern, profilic prog rock act from either Liechtenstein, San Marino or Andorra...
What about the Big Big Train? Sure, they've been around for 34 years now; their original frontman died, so I can understand that some people might hesitate to put them in the modern cell, but they are active葉he below live video was filmed in 2022葉heir take on prog-rock music is still modern, and any Norwegian prog-rock band that is on the scene now is not even close to Big Big Train.
What about what? So your argument is that one AOR-like, not genuinely progressive band that I'm totally indifferent (or rather, I dislike their music) to is bigger than a whole national scene with myriads of active bands? An argument for UK would have to be about their vibrant Windmill-scene. And not a band you personally enjoy formed in 1990 with 23 000 monthly listeners on Spotify.
Shall we mention solo artists? Do they count, or does this thread only apply to bands?


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Originally posted by Chiyo Chiyo wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^^With a population smaller than Minnesota, the density of relatively known progressive rock acts from Norway is probably unmatched. That's unless there's one modern, profilic prog rock act from either Liechtenstein, San Marino or Andorra...
What about the Big Big Train? Sure, they've been around for 34 years now; their original frontman died, so I can understand that some people might hesitate to put them in the modern cell, but they are active葉he below live video was filmed in 2022葉heir take on prog-rock music is still modern, and any Norwegian prog-rock band that is on the scene now is not even close to Big Big Train.
What about what? So your argument is that one AOR-like, not genuinely progressive band that I'm totally indifferent (or rather, I dislike their music) to is bigger than a whole national scene with myriads of active bands? An argument for UK would have to be about their vibrant Windmill-scene. And not a band you personally enjoy formed in 1990 with 23 000 monthly listeners on Spotify.


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

back to what is a definition of prog which regularly comes round/
Even if we throw the prog umbrella wide open, we will find modern bands in England that the Norwegians have not even come close to.
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back to what is a definition of prog which regularly comes round/

For technical bands easily USA and also for sales.
I don't know why UK is mentioned, the general music scene here is terrible (Ed Sheeran, Jamie Cullum, Adele) and interesting bands such as Black Midi are totally ignored. Big Big Train were beginning to have some commercial success but the pandemic killed that and even some of their members were forced to retire as a result. Ignoring commercial success then there is a good underground scene and Tull, Yes and Heep are still putting out decent albums and servicing their fan base. None of them are remotely cutting edge though.
Norway is incredible and keeps producing brilliant music. Of course a lot is so called Retro Prog that apparently is some crime to progressive music (it still counts as music though!)
Italy still produces great music thanks to it's historical importance to classical music and 2 of my favourite bands at the moment come from Brazil (Caravela Escalarte) and Spain (Psicolorama) but there are good bands everywhere as prog is quite culturally diverse. Anyway my vote is for Norway.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^^With a population smaller than Minnesota, the density of relatively known progressive rock acts from Norway is probably unmatched. That's unless there's one modern, profilic prog rock act from either Liechtenstein, San Marino or Andorra...
What about the Big Big Train? Sure, they've been around for 34 years now; their original frontman died, so I can understand that some people might hesitate to put them in the modern cell, but they are active葉he below live video was filmed in 2022葉heir take on prog-rock music is still modern, and any Norwegian prog-rock band that is on the scene now is not even close to Big Big Train.
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