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I would contend that a lot of those bands are essentially fusing metal with prog-jazz. The jazz metal craze has been proliferating for the last dozen years or so, and it is particularly strong in (though not exclusive to) the US.
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Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

That doesn't make all those bands fusion per se.


That's not what I'm saying, but don't worry about it.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by RockHound RockHound wrote:

Fusion forms the core of American prog.


I've long held this belief, and I believe many others do!
If you're stuck in the 70's, yeah. Otherwise no.


Who's stuck in the '70s?

Fusion originated here. That's the point.


No doubt Fusion originated here, but I think he means that, since then, other forms of prog had overtaken the throne here in the US. 

ie. Prog Metal, Tech/Extreme, Hello??


Maybe read the "forms the core of" part again? Most of those guys are nevertheless influenced by the key fusion and prog players. A new blend is just that, it doesn't make the ingredients any less perceptible to my palate.

not sure what you're trying to say here, but you seem to have the stats to tell me that most American acts today borrow a lot from fusion. That doesn't make all those bands fusion per se. 

Im sure you will find today's American prog dominated by metal and tech stuff rather than fusion 
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome is superior to H to He

Hot take indeed. Confused
I'm with Frets N Worries on that one. Depending on my mood I'd even rank The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome as their best at times. Awesome album!

I like the album, but is it better than H to He... though? Not for me, that's all. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome is superior to H to He

Hot take indeed. Confused
I'm with Frets N Worries on that one. Depending on my mood I'd even rank The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome as their best at times. Awesome album!
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome is superior to H to He

Hot take indeed. Confused
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The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome is superior to H to He
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Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by RockHound RockHound wrote:

Fusion forms the core of American prog.


I've long held this belief, and I believe many others do!
If you're stuck in the 70's, yeah. Otherwise no.


Who's stuck in the '70s?

Fusion originated here. That's the point.


No doubt Fusion originated here, but I think he means that, since then, other forms of prog had overtaken the throne here in the US. 

ie. Prog Metal, Tech/Extreme, Hello??


Maybe read the "forms the core of" part again? Most of those guys are nevertheless influenced by the key fusion and prog players. A new blend is just that, it doesn't make the ingredients any less perceptible to my palate.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by RockHound RockHound wrote:

Fusion forms the core of American prog.


I've long held this belief, and I believe many others do!
If you're stuck in the 70's, yeah. Otherwise no.


Who's stuck in the '70s?

Fusion originated here. That's the point.

No doubt Fusion originated here, but I think he means that, since then, other forms of prog had overtaken the throne here in the US. 

ie. Prog Metal, Tech/Extreme, Hello??
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by RockHound RockHound wrote:

Fusion forms the core of American prog.


I've long held this belief, and I believe many others do!
If you're stuck in the 70's, yeah. Otherwise no.


Who's stuck in the '70s?

Fusion originated here. That's the point.
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Originally posted by RockHound RockHound wrote:

Michael Romero is as good if not better than John Petrucci, and that’s saying a lot!

Miriodor is the best Canadian band.

Fusion forms the core of American prog.

Agree on points 2 & 3. 
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by RockHound RockHound wrote:

Fusion forms the core of American prog.


I've long held this belief, and I believe many others do!
If you're stuck in the 70's, yeah. Otherwise no.
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Originally posted by RockHound RockHound wrote:

Fusion forms the core of American prog.


I've long held this belief, and I believe many others do!
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Michael Romero is as good if not better than John Petrucci, and that’s saying a lot!

Miriodor is the best Canadian band.

Fusion forms the core of American prog.
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^^ wrong thread?
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^^ I find their electronic material a la Kid A, Amnesiac less dated than OK Computer.

I also really like Moon Shaped Pool; to go out on that note makes me really excited for a new release (if there is one)
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I'm just starting to delve into Radiohead's discography. My uncontroversial opinion is that, so far Kid A and Amnesiac are my favorites. 

My controversial one is... I just got to Hail to the Thief and uh... I like it more than OK Computer *GASP*.
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Hot take: I find Rich Mouser's mixes to be way too over the top, and louder than necessary, especially the drums.

Quote People complain that Italian accents sound horrible singing English lyrics, I think Swedish accents are much worse! (Still love several Swedish bands though!)
Swedish accents are fine cuz Swedes generally are better English speakers than Italians. The foreign accents I find the most annoying are Italian, Polish and Japanese.

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Originally posted by Faul_McCartney Faul_McCartney wrote:

SEBTP is probably the worst Gabriel/Hackett album. Which means it's still amazing, just not as amazing as the rest! Arguably, the most representative genesis album with all the tropes and great production (and THE lineup) being classified as the worst?? I don't think so! For me, it rises above everything Genesis did with the possible exception of The Lamb
Collins Genesis was an excellent Neo-prog band, at least until IT. Correction: A GOOD prog band through Duke; Well into the 80s, they went full blown pop. Did you just say Neo-Prog band??
Duke is better than anything Gabriel has done, and most of what Hackett has done. Duke is a great album and is neck and neck with the best solo stuff from both - I can get behind this
Fish is a better singer than Hogarth I agree
Radiation isn't a bad album, and is probably better than Season's End and Holiday in Eden. Can't comment here
People complain that Italian accents sound horrible singing English lyrics, I think Swedish accents are much worse! (Still love several Swedish bands though!) Both should stick to their native tongues; groups like Opeth don't have to - they have been around long enough
Big Generator is better than 90125 and almost as prog as ABWH I agree, but I never thought ABWH was that 'prog' per say
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