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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18801 |
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Yeah, not sure why I thought Spooky Tooth were from the US. Maybe they just sound american to me. Not sure.
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Duddick ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: August 02 2014 Location: Newport, Wales Status: Offline Points: 429 |
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Spooky Tooth were British apart from Gary Wright?
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18801 |
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Here's a list I sent to Paul that I initially posted here but deleted it. I'll post it again though.
Touch- same (considered by some to be the first prog album) 1968 Orange Wedge (more hard rock or bluesy but proggish at times at least). Two albums(72 and 74). Sweet Smoke (two albums) (the first one "just a poke" is from 1970 and the second from 1973). Ram - Where? In conclusion (1972) The Facedancers -same (1972) Also the band Quill (sometimes called the Quill)put out one album in 1970 and actually played at wood stock but because they weren't in the movie they didn't get much recognition and broke up after one album. I think on youtube it's called just Quill. So type in that plus 1970. I think they were maybe more like proto prog but not bad. Finally there's Spooky Tooth(listed as proto prog on here)and Frank Zappa and the Mothers. Uncle Meat is prog imo. I'm not sure what I would call it. It's jazzy I suppose but not as much as Hot Rats(which I also like). Spirit were another one who are sometimes considered either prog or proto prog. Paul, I have heard some of that Pierre Henry/ Spooky Tooth on youtube. His sound effects don't really fit in with their music and it comes off sounding weird. I think I could get used to it though.
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43015 |
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I haven't come across any albums by any of those bands you mentioned so far, but I'll keep my Periscope sighted for them. ![]() By the way, Steve, just in case you were wondering, I was replying to AFlowerKingCrimson in my previous post, but he deleted his post and sent me a private message instead, so it now appears as if I'm talking to myself, which wouldn't be the first time.
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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Here's s list of early US prog groups off the top of my head Paul: Starcastle, Vindication, Mutha Goose, Maelstrom and Periscope. See if you find them.
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43015 |
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^ I like all of those psychedelic bands you mentioned and I have every CD album by Spooky Tooth, apart from the weird album they made with French "music concrete" artist Pierre Henry, which is the album most Spooky Tooth fans avoid and the album the band themselves wish they'd never made.
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43015 |
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I've only reached the letter "C" in the alphabet on Prog Line albums, so I still have a lot of listening to do yet. I've found a handful of American prog albums from 1976, but nothing earlier than that so far, but I'll keep you posted if I do come across any.
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43015 |
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On the subject of avant artists, I listened to my very first RIO/Avant Prog album today by an American band called Cartoon, but the offbeat cranky music sounded a bit Looney Tunes to my ears.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18801 |
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So are you saying there aren't any or just that you haven't come across any?
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I'll let you know, Steve, if I find any pre-Kansas-era American albums on the Prog Line channel, but I haven't come across any so far.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18801 |
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You're lucky I don't flood your inbox with neo prog.
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Crane ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 08 2011 Location: Rhode Island Status: Offline Points: 411 |
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Not a chronological starting point, obviously, but a conceptual starting point. Zappa particularly is, I think, almost inarguably American prog.
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Crane ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 08 2011 Location: Rhode Island Status: Offline Points: 411 |
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I think the problem with a lot of this bickering about Kansas is that you’re apparently looking for European-style prog in the US. If you won’t designate as prog anything except European-style prog, then you’re definitely not going to find anything before European prog bands broke out.
I’ve been attempting an alternative thesis where progressive rock took a different approach in the US, coming from a 20th cen. classical / avant garde perspective, rather than a neo-romantic, neo-classical perspective. I think it’s entirely plausible to do this, using Zappa and Beefheart as a starting point and working out from there.
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43015 |
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No, it's only Kansas' post-1970's albums that are neo-prog in my warped psycho mind.
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