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M27Barney 
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 Posted: July 19 2019 at 08:34 |
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Eh. Moshkito...why use so many words.
You tend to overread every post and your responses are so post modernist that you are probably a WUM (wind up merchant). You are the spinal-tap poster and probably the archetypal prog connoisseur that the music industry always quotes to enforce its anti prog snobbery... Edited by M27Barney - July 19 2019 at 08:45 |
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moshkito
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Posted: July 19 2019 at 06:37 |
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How sad ... and an important person in PA, that usually has very good comments on music and a lot of the work done here, and you come around ... and pretty much admit that more than half of the music you listen to, you don't pay attention to at all ... Comparing it to a painting, was a way to show how folks tend to select bits and pieces and leave behind the rest ... you must really think that no artist out there is intelligent enough to create something ... just because you don't like it! IT obviously has some meaning for its creator/s ... and you don't think that meaning is important or valuable, because you don't like that part! AND, WORSE OF ALL ... THAT THE SOCIAL MEDIA HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL THE ARTIST HE IS FUDGED AND WRONG, SPECIALLY 45 YEARS LATER! It was what it was at the time, and can be explained ... but you appear to be so commercialized (how weird ... and into "progressive music"!), that you can not separate and notice the difference. It's as if you are only looking for approval ratings, because you could not possibly agree with Mosh on the arts and his general respect for them ... every piece in its entirety ... not just a portion of it! That is sad, sick, and I'm not sure that is appreciating the music (or the arts) at all ... there are a lot of things in "progressive" that I am not quite fond at, but at the very least, I have respect for their work and continuity ... and you are basically saying that YES and GENESIS are crap on the basis of one side of an album you did not "get" ... and are not even reading the notes on the album to find out what it is about! I'm now wondering who is more overrated!
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M27Barney
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Posted: July 18 2019 at 11:59 |
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^ My point entirely. Moshkito has such a high intellect that us prog plebs who rather liked the theatrical Genesis shows were not privy (like he was) to the lost tribe of the amazon delta who had performed Watcher of the skies using stretched skins of the sun bear and a massed choir of bushmaster snakes which predated the mellotron by 500 years....
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richardh
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Posted: July 17 2019 at 22:55 |
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To be honest you seem to miss the point that must people treat music as something to be enjoyed. You really don't have to appreciate the artists vision to enjoy the music. I just like the sound of a Hammond for the sake of it and not because it speaks to me in some way. Equating music with paintings is just not relevant to the discussion I'm afraid to say. You seem to be seeking something that most people don't care about.
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TheLionOfPrague
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Posted: July 17 2019 at 19:47 |
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I think it's brilliant, and only Close to the Edge and Dark Side are better prog albums. I rate higher than Animals, Wish You Where, In the Court and Selling England though they're all close.
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I shook my head and smiled a whisper knowing all about the place
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: July 17 2019 at 14:55 |
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It is a true shame that Under Wraps isn't in the #1 position
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M27Barney
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Posted: July 17 2019 at 12:19 |
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Like I said - the emperor is most definitely stark bollock naked.... so go on, sue me....artist boy!
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Sean Trane
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Posted: July 17 2019 at 08:05 |
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Yeah, I guess that many humorless progholes are not agreeing with the spoofing of one album they should (and would otherwise) adore
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moshkito
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Posted: July 17 2019 at 07:35 |
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I like works of art ... I don't go around telling you that only a piece of Guernica (the left corner for you with a broken _______!), or a piece of the Mona Lisa (just half of her smile!), or a full frontal of Miro .... like so many folks around here do, is progressive and the rest is regressive! Pay attention to the line and comment plz! I respect the artistic vision, and what/how these things are presented. YOU DON'T ... and would rather postulate that the artist is WRONG in creating such ideas and visions, and then leaving us wondering what it means, and why waste vinyl space (then!) ... and my comment to you is ... go buy something else ... the Xes Pistols need your money a bit more than GENESIS! I'm OK with you not understanding side 3 ... but saying it is crap because you don't like it, is out of line, and just shows how you disrespecting the artistic ideas and creativity. You don't like one sculptor because that man is thinking. You hate Michelangelo, because the church told him to make that penis small to make sure and not emphasize the sex side of things ... despite the rich folks around the church doing otherwise, of course! To be a reviewer, and an honest one, yes, there are things you might not like, but state that and leave it at that, and perhaps even explain WHY you don't like it ... too many folks here say they don't like something and it is pretty obvious it is just a preference ... THEY NEVER TELL YOU WHY ... I'm betting my nickels they don't know ... and neither do you, when you make comments that are so disrespectful to the artistic community as a whole! FREEDOM ... specially in the arts, is one of the most important things of all in our life ... and for the record ... IT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN DRIVES OF PROGRESSIVE MUSIC in those days ... but you have already dismissed all the social and political commentary on KC's early work ... because you don't like it! SHAME on YOU! Edited by moshkito - July 17 2019 at 07:40 |
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moshkito
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Posted: July 17 2019 at 07:25 |
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It might surprise you that I had this album before almost every single JT fan at the time! And I used to play this on my headphones, stoned immaculate! Again, I have never confused facts with fiction, after all, I am a writer and have several short stories and 4 novels to my name and I don't really need anyone telling me the difference between "facts" and just another story. I knew of that quote, and have the article in my files! Just like I have stuff from PG and the GENESIS break up, and many others from PF from the early days! The discussions are important and the facts helpful many times, however, they do not always resolve anything, since your ideas are always more important than mine, and taking things out of context to say something that is well known ... is not exactly creative. Facts don't change history ... they just make you more human ... like suggesting that Mick never goes to the bathroom to take a poop, because he's gotta be too clean to score all the girls ... a few years back, anyway! Your comment is ignoring the point of the post. So typical of a few members on this board!
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M27Barney
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Posted: July 17 2019 at 06:19 |
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I think I have to be in a certain mood for it. And I need to get a copy of the vinyl just to read the paper. My copy is still in its bought state including the cellophane that says it was purchased from HMV presumably in 1972...
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Posted: July 17 2019 at 01:27 |
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Exactly. I think some people have an internal resistance to admitting that this might be top tier, even though it was intended as a spoof. Sometimes art "works" that way. The best archetypes and zeitgest etc comes out during such periods of "mockery". That's honestly how I kind of feel about TFTO; everything everyone hates about it I love and think it represents a progressive rock archetype. Personal view!
Exactly, lol. I listened again for the first time in probably a year (TAAB), and this album most certainly deserves its status here and on many other resources.
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M27Barney
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Posted: July 17 2019 at 00:29 |
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Posted: July 16 2019 at 14:51 |
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The thick as a brick radio edit(at least here in the US)was actually only about three minutes. You hear the flute fading with acoustic guitar playing and the song ends as far as most classic rock fans(who obviously aren't really prog or Tull fans) are concerned. You don't hear the part with the acoustic guitar strumming chords right after the flute and then the bam bam with Martin kicking in. The radio edit ends right before that. Imagine the surprise when you play the entire album to someone who is a classic rock fan who only knows the radio version.
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Posted: July 16 2019 at 14:43 |
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I hate to burst your bubble...but there are mint vinyl copies all over the place,,,US and Brit ones.  |
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Posted: July 16 2019 at 14:20 |
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I like TAAB and I've got no issue with it being rated as a top prog album.
Whether it's the third best prog rock album of all time is more debatable. It wouldn't be my third best, but I guess that's personal taste. Certainly I would rate both "Red" and "Relayer" higher than TAAB, but the fact that TAAB is rated number three doesn't cause me any great discomfort.
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M27Barney
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Posted: July 16 2019 at 13:57 |
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This site is as usual torn into its two hemispheres. You have the moshkito anti genesis rant, siding with the emperors new clothes aficionados who wonder why an album of random noises and mind boggingly repetitious themes isnt valued by those people who have taken the saucepan off their heads and actually like a haunting melody or the power of the skillful arpegio or moving chord sequences....TAAB is an important concept album from 1972. And I have a mint vinyl copy in my vault. Part of my retirement fund if I can bear to sell it....
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Posted: July 16 2019 at 13:03 |
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I wasn't a Tull fan back in the day, though I certainly liked some songs. On the radio, one would hear a 5 minute excerpt of TAAB, even on the FM channels. This didn't do it justice. 40 years later I properly discovered it...and I'd say it's one of the few in the top 10 that ISN'T overrated.
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Posted: July 16 2019 at 12:37 |
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Calling something overrated is overrated.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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