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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 22 2015 at 11:17 | |||
I was thinking in "Your favorite serial killer"
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Icarium
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Posted: September 22 2015 at 05:36 | |||
next poll, your most favourite terrible person poll
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emigre80
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Posted: September 21 2015 at 20:15 | |||
oh, the mental images
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Atavachron
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Posted: September 21 2015 at 20:11 | |||
I'll get my coat. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 21 2015 at 20:09 | |||
This is your fault guys, I used to be a soccer guy, now I'm addicted to American football...How I Hate to write on tablets. |
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micky
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Posted: September 21 2015 at 20:01 | |||
I was saving that one for page 20...
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Atavachron
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Posted: September 21 2015 at 20:01 | |||
"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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micky
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Posted: September 21 2015 at 19:59 | |||
you are getting old Ivan... you used to be able to keep it up for hours and hours man. Or perhaps it was just me that stimulated your arousal.
well earned break though. Interesting posts for all my topic flippancy. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 21 2015 at 19:40 | |||
Ok, it's over for a couple hours.
Monday Night Football.......Life is good Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 21 2015 at 20:01 |
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micky
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Posted: September 21 2015 at 18:55 | |||
oh no doubt! God help this forum if Ivan ever left.... he is definitely an alltimer top 5'r PA's character...
in fact I'd put him at #2 on my list behind the irrepressible Tony R. |
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Atavachron
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Posted: September 21 2015 at 18:49 | |||
He is rather Ivan-like, isn't he. I think Galt is my favorite revolutionary.
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micky
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Posted: September 21 2015 at 18:48 | |||
hahahhaha
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Atavachron
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Posted: September 21 2015 at 18:46 | |||
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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micky
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Posted: September 21 2015 at 18:41 | |||
when will you all ever learn.... |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 21 2015 at 18:31 | |||
What Hitler used is not transcendental, Hitler was an ignorant soldier (Not officer), who spoke with the language he wanted the people to listen but usually fell in contradictions He spoke well of the Church and Christianity, but also said "Religion is incompatible with the Reich" and the more memorable
Here you have a few Hitler quotes I believe it's more than obvious.
Sorry, please read this 11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery. Hitler may have waited to the war to implement this changes BUT HE PROPOSED THEM IN 1920, IN OTHER WORDS, 19 YEARS BEFORE THE WAR
Ethnic superiority was unethical for marxists What about?
All of them exterminated or relocated by force, which also constitutes Genocide
So please don't tell me about Marxist morality as some sort of Categorical Imperative, because even when there are moral Marxists, Stalin was immoral and criminal. Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 21 2015 at 19:26 |
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: September 21 2015 at 16:58 | |||
True enough, hence the coopting of the sozialismus label but, as a rule, the Nazis were more electorally successful in areas of lower unemployment, while the communists were generally more popular in the areas of high unemployment. A lot of Hitler's electoral support came from bourgeois and reactionary elements supporting him against the Marxists. If he had, as Ivan wants to assert, been some sort of Left-wing Marxist figure, the social democrats would have invested just as much time and energy in shutting him down as they did in oppressing the Communists. |
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SteveG
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Posted: September 21 2015 at 16:40 | |||
^While not strictly a class struggle, Germany was in the throws of the Great Depression and many Germans starved, lost homes, etc. Hitler played up these 'have nots' and created a scapegoat that was later largely exterminated. He may have not been a man of the people but he still portrayed himself as a man for the people. The German people.
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Posted: September 21 2015 at 16:30 | |||
You know that Hitler used the terms Marxism, Bolshevism and Communism interchangeably most of the time? I am fully aware that Marxism and Communism aren't equivalents, though they were typically viewed as such by the European nationalist right. The Daily Mail quote I brought up earlier clearly viewed Hitler and Mussolini favourably as right-wing parties. Nazism's gov't involvement 'in all businesses' was only remotely true once the war broke out. Prior to the war they privatised many key elements of infrastructure, outlawed trade unions and suppressed wages. The command economy instituted by the Nazis was a necessity of Hitler's total warfare doctrine, not a left-wing political ideal and yes, right wing gov'ts would do and have done all of those measures. Hitler was not driven by class struggle, hence he was not a Marxist. It's that simple. His dedication to national and ethnic superiority was deeply antithetical to Marxism's 'workers of the world, unite' and largely represented a reactionary defence of traditional interests. His only consistent internal opponents prior to the war were the communist parties, not the democrats or the Mittelstand. |
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Posted: September 21 2015 at 16:02 | |||
If the USSR had been less oppressive, I don't think it would have survived the concerted attempt of most of the world's major powers to 'strangle it in its cradle'. A victory for the White Russian alliance, which was employing pogroms on Jews and which was backed the UK, the US and Japan would have been just as bloody. Perhaps more so. I don't think you need to justify Stalin to accept that the involvement and motives of foreign powers in the Russian Civil War were partially responsible for making the USSR as oppressive and militaristic as it was (cf. the Vietnam War, for instance). |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 21 2015 at 15:40 | |||
Pal, I could talk about democracy for hours, I made my thesis about the Presidential figure
But that's not the point here, democracy is not a perfect system, but the traditional modern definition one person one vote is the best one. Samuel S Corwin (The Constitution and What It Means Today) said that the President has more powers than a king, and that's true, there will be abuse everywhere, but at least in 4, 5 or 6 years we can change the President if we believe he did wrong. And if I don't like what is happening, I can take a plane and go to live anywhere I want, because the fronteers are not closed. A country where you have to close the fronteers not to prevent illegal aliens but to prevent people from escaping, is wrong.
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