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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2015 at 15:59
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

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Hmm....I never thought of Captain Beyond as being' Psych rock' but then it is all subjective in the end.
It's also down to their lyrics Doc, and even their name implies something not of this word! LOL
There are certainly some 'trippy' things on the album including the cover art. An outgrowth from Iron Butterfly probably. The first Captain Beyond reminded me at times of Steppenwolf...a band I also liked and who were trippy at times also.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2015 at 15:55
^I'm stating my own personal experiences with the counter culture and it's view of popular music, and I could really care less what a "true" psych forum like Kiloh states or thinks. If you are of my mind set, then stick around. If not, then what's the sense? Just move on. Smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2015 at 15:38
Steve: you make that claim here and most will agree with you because they have muddled a vague concept of psychedelic with popsike.
But I dare you to try to pull this line on a TRUE psych forum like Kiloh's, or Midwest or Psychedelica (where the man WHO WROTE THE BOOK posted often before he passed on). You will be laughed out of those forums.

You quote me a PA review as if that accounts for something.

Sure, put the words Days Of Future Passed in Wiki and EVERY article will say "psychedelic". That means NOTHING.Entire masses swallow misrepresentation all the time.

What we have here is poprock & ballads ...and classical. You might argue protoprog, but not psych.
This is baroque rock pulling itself out of the primordeal R&Bs/Brit Invasion muck, moving towards prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2015 at 14:21
^For some obscure reason that came as no big surprise, however I'll take it on faith that you're as well versed with sixties counter culture behavior (like cool-aid acid tests) and it's resultant popular music trends as I am.
 
But just in case your really not, I'll post this except from a PA album review:
 
"1967 was a watershed moment in pop music, as the broad horizons of the post-Pet Sounds landscape beckoned to bands like THE BEATLES, THE MOODY BLUES, PINK FLOYD, THE ROLLING STONES and many others. Each went off in their own directions, PINK FLOYD in pursuit of the ultimate sonic acid splash, THE BEATLES to perfect Britpop in the studio, and THE MOODIES to make a classical pop record. (THE STONES, for their part, tripped and took a noisy tumble down the hill.) While some of the original gilding still shines on "Days of Future Passed", the psychedelic precocity of its intent has left a patina that obscures some of the fine handiwork involved in its painstaking fabrication."
 
And there's more where that came from if you care to take a look.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2015 at 13:10
Have to disagree then.

Tis poprock strung together with narration & classical.

Important thing is that we both agree it is superb.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2015 at 12:17
^No satire here.
 
The above post is truly how I feel about Days Of Future Past.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2015 at 12:10
Steve: are you being for real in declaring DOFP as the greatest psychedelic lp ever made?

I ask, because back on page 14 you were calling Dark Side of Moon psychedelic but - having fooled some three subsequent posters - later called your own post a satire.

Is your current Moody Blues psychedelic stance a legpull or true contention?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2015 at 11:50
 
The greatest psychedelic rock album of the sixties:
The Moody Blues: Days of Future Passed 1967.
 
 
I've come to expect the mainstream notion (or the selective memories of older folk) that Psychedelic rock in the nineteen sixties was solely defined by the albums Sgt. Pepper's and Are You Experienced in the U.S., or Sgt. Pepper's and Piper Gates The Gates of Dawn in the U.K. Occasionally, someone will throw a nod to Donovan for his hits Sunshine Superman and Mellow Yellow.
 
However, from my personal experience, these were the albums you wanted to play first at any informal party or more formal Freak In (Zappa killed the term Freak Out) in the States in 1968. Others thrown in the mix would be Tommy by The Who, In-a-godda-da-vidda by Iron Butterfly and Surrealistic Pillow By the Jefferson Airplane, along with many others.
 
But the album that would always wind up such gatherings as the grand finale and closer went exclusively to the Moody Blues orchestral epic Days Of Future Passed. With it's dramatic symphonic opening, the incredible spoken word poem written by drummer Graham Edge and eloquently conveyed by keyboardist Mike Pinder, you were off on a journey through the events and the passing hours of a day.
 
Although heavily orchestrated, it was Pinder's eerie and icy sounding Mellotron that supported the songs melodically until the album climaxed with the double barreled grand finale of Nights in White Satin which by it's end would be transform via an additional orchestral bridge into Edge's final spoken word poem The Night. You felt chills as Pinder began to speak: "Cold hearted orb which rules the night..." that concludes with coup de gras of two orchestral crescendos that are finally silenced by a fading crash of a gong.
 
Many people enjoyed the magic of listening to proceeding albums like Are You Experienced with Puple Haze referencing an acid high or the studio trickery of Revolver and Sgt. Pepper's, but these were clearly Psychedelic tricks  performed by  musical magicians. Days of Future Passed was not such an exercise. It was brilliant experimental but organically conceived work of art, and as such, it stood out hands and feet above everything else until the Beatles created Abbey Road which would take it's place as the 'show closer' in 1969. It's funny how Abbey Road was also solely created to be a musical work of  art instead of a psychedelic album.
 
Incidentally, an album called In The Court of the Crimson King would often be the new party opener in 1969. An album that owes a great debt to Days of Future Past, as would later albums such as 1973's Ashes Are Burning from Renaissance.
 
So to me, Days Of Future Past will always remain the greatest Psychedelic Rock album ever made. Something that will always strike me as ironic, because unlike following Moody Blues albums that are chuck full of sitar and period studio effects, DOFP was never meant to be one. 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2015 at 11:02
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Hmm....I never thought of Captain Beyond as being' Psych rock' but then it is all subjective in the end.
It's also down to their lyrics Doc, and even their name implies something not of this word! LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2015 at 17:23
The first Capt Beyond ,like the first Scorpions , can likely safely be considered proto-metal.No way I see the first lp as being psych.It has also been compared to the self-titled Armaggedon lp.

"Sufficiently Breathless " was a completely different (but I think, better) kettle of fish: acoustic guitar, more mellow.

Between the 2nd lp and "Dawn Explosion" passed nigh four years. I'd say the 3rd lp has elements of protoprog (only you would have to clarify its being protoprogISH due to the late date of '77). One thing for sure its a patchy lp.




For those interested ,here is a list of the known live sets:

4-30-72 Montreaux Jazz & Blues Festival, Montreaux, Switzerland (DVD) 1st gig EVER.
5-6-72 Bickershaw Festival, Lancashire, England
7-19-72 Galic Park, The Bronx, New York City, N.Y.
8-19-72 "unknown venue" Miami, Florida
10-6-73 University Of Texas, Arlington, Texas (opening for King Crimson, this is the best known live)
5-26-77 Night Gallery, Chicago, Illinois (FM Broadcast)
6-12-99 Karlshamn Rock Festival, Karlshamn, Sweden (Soundboard)
7-18-99 "Unknown Venue" Orlando, Florida (DVD)
10-15-99 Hustler Bar, Indiatlantic, Florida


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2015 at 16:47
Hmm....I never thought of Captain Beyond as being' Psych rock' but then it is all subjective in the end.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2015 at 13:49
Very much so.
No one - not even Donovan - can keep on a roll forever.

"Cosmic Wheels" was his first fall.
Much of this lp is just embarrassingly bad.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2015 at 13:22
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^Yes, I've only heard the album Cosmic Wheels a few times so I guess it's time to give it another spin.
 
I guess you could call it Psychedelic Space Folk Rock. Whew, that's a mouthful!
I think Donovan was virtually spent by the time this album came out (1973 I think). His earlier albums with influence by Bert Jansch were really nice.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2015 at 13:13
^Yes, I've only heard the album Cosmic Wheels a few times so I guess it's time to give it another spin.
 
I guess you could call it Psychedelic Space Folk Rock. Whew, that's a mouthful!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2015 at 13:06
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^Absolutely! kind of like a real heavy version of Hawkwind at times. Good stuff.
 
Btw, I remember that two members were ex Iron Butterfly. If that doesn't confirm their heavy Psych Rock status, nothing will! LOL
 
 
Yes, now that you mention it, there is a resemblance -- except the vocals are better.Wink
 
Not that it has to do anything with the conversation, but I am currently listening to Donovan's "Intergalactic Laxative", which I guess adds a new dimension to "space rock".
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2015 at 12:59
^Absolutely! kind of like a real heavy version of Hawkwind at times. Good stuff.
 
Btw, I remember that two members were ex Iron Butterfly. If that doesn't confirm their heavy Psych Rock status, nothing will! LOL
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2015 at 12:56
The first concert I ever saw was Alice Cooper with Jo Jo Gunne and...Captain Beyond. Two really good albums from the good Captain, but they went nowhere, and to my knowledge they are now currently available for keg parties at the local VFW Hall. Anyone care for their Psych/hard rock style?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2015 at 12:31
^Seems like everybody's has some Psych in their closets. Amazing!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2015 at 11:35

Another punk band gone all psychedelly for an album. Meat Puppets built off of the psych leanings of the track "Aurora Borealis" from their seminal second album to craft a whole album of Cowpunk Floyd.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2015 at 05:38
On the subject of Scorpions' beginning as a psychedelic hard rock group before evolving into more streamlined heavy metal they are famous for now, their sophomore Fly to the Rainbow can be as recommended as bridging the gap between Lonesome Crow and that:



This is a very curious album, in that it shows off both the long stretched-out Hendrix-gone-Krautrock psychedelic space on downer epics and the harder riff-driven fast songs that would come to define heavy metal soon following its 1974 release date. The weird thing is that the two kind of influence each other, the surreal and colourful cover art is misleading as the long epics are significantly heavier and darker than those on Lonesome Crow. At the same time, the songs that predict newer metal styles have a lot of psychedelic playing around with guitar textures going on... which gives them a rather different feel from the more neoclassical Ritchie Blackmore-type approach to hard rock guitar playing that'd prevail eventually.





There are also more ballad-type songs, that I frankly find more interesting than most metal groups' since the psychedelic influences are still there to keep them from getting too monotonous.


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