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Points: 12625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2008 at 14:24
Originally posted by avalanchemaster avalanchemaster wrote:


all things aside, great job on this resource, I love it and use it frequently, I just think maybe some albums should be reconsidered???????
 
Definitely; the PMT have reconsidered bands before and added those after initially being voted no.
Anyway, I'll leave it to the fabulous 3, Jody, Mike and Teo to discuss this and I'll go back to reading and thread and occasionally posting something regarding to music alone and not PA work.
 
 
Anyone heard the latest Thanatoschizo - Zoom Code?
 
 
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Points: 730 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2008 at 14:17
would it be possible to include a band and that *one* album that is considered progressive, leaving the other material they produced for the listener to consider otherwise?

I know Mithrandir did not mean anything personal by his comment, it was off-the-cuff and really should be taken with a grain of salt,

all things aside, great job on this resource, I love it and use it frequently, I just think maybe some albums should be reconsidered???????

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Points: 12625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2008 at 10:08
Originally posted by mithrandir mithrandir wrote:

so I guess in order to have an opinion here you MUST also be a contributer?  F that, Im just here to talk some tunes and movies with you folks, ban me if you all can't take a few words of criticism, because if its a requisite to be an Archives Contributer before you can post then you might as well ax over half the board, I appreciate the fact that this is a free forum provided to the public by the kind folks who run the ProgArchives but seriously folks you need to grow some thicker skin, 
 
If I may interrupt here for a short post:
 
Are we not entitled to respond to an accusation like this? I think we are, and here is mine.
 
We the collaborators here put in a lot of time and effort into adding bands, which means, writing bio's, adding the whole discography (and M@X the owner insists on that, whether all of it is prog or not), and we also write reviews and promote bands in the form of interviews, features/threads etc and discuss those things in threads/sections that are not accessible to the whole forum.
 
By having a comment like "utter failure", we feel like all our work goes to the drains and not respected/appreciated. If not for all our work, there would be no PA database, no bands to appreciate here (you could that in some other place, sure but you're here now thanks to that work).
 
So an utter failure would be quite an extreme word to use; we do the best with the limits of the site's structure and rules (which are not set by us, but from above us) and if we miss bands, we rely on our fine members to suggest them and not shove our so-called failure in our face.
 
As for Gorguts, it's on the PMT voting chart and Jody explained the team's opinion, which may be wrong in your opinion, but no one denies you the opportunity to discuss Gorguts in the forum. Sure, it is not as good as having them in PA database but one can always make a thread or send a PM to that PMT asking for their inclusion and explaining shortly why it is such a failure.
 
I happen to agree that Obscura itself should be in PA's Extreme/Tech prog metal; (I know the other albums as well and I think they're not prog metal material) but there's a way to do things and one will not get them with that kind of approach.
 
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2008 at 23:21
You can voice your disagreement in more, say, corteous ways, you know. That's all. When you say "utter failure" and give us the thumbs down, all mone can say is "what have you done"... Now if you had say "it's sad X band is not here" or "X band not being here is an error that has to be corrected", nobody would've taken any offense.
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Points: 933 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2008 at 15:40
so I guess in order to have an opinion here you MUST also be a contributer?  F that, Im just here to talk some tunes and movies with you folks, ban me if you all can't take a few words of criticism, because if its a requisite to be an Archives Contributer before you can post then you might as well ax over half the board, I appreciate the fact that this is a free forum provided to the public by the kind folks who run the ProgArchives but seriously folks you need to grow some thicker skin, 
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2008 at 15:10
Originally posted by mithrandir mithrandir wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by mithrandir mithrandir wrote:

Originally posted by avalanchemaster avalanchemaster wrote:


Gorguts (brilliance, no matter how you slice it)


I just noticed they don't have Obscura listed in the archives, man what an utter failure Thumbs%20Down
 
That was absolutely uncalled for and extremely rude.It's people like you that makes me wonder why I bother dedicating a lot of my free time for over 4 years doing what I do here on the Progressive Metal Team.
 
We considered Gorguts when the PMT were first formed but rejected them because I personally didn't want to add a band on the basis of one proggy album in their discography.


make that 2 albums,

and what about bands like Death, Enslaved, Dodheimsgard, Voivod? not exactly all Progressive albums either,

to be honest I don't really care much which albums/bands you decide to include, but an album like "Obscura" is held in high regard and considered somewhat of a cornerstone album of Progressive/Experimental Death Metal, its about as close to a Trout Mask Replica that Death Metal has ever come,

coming from the opposite side of the fence - is seems kind of silly (almost naive) to leave it out, but its not that big of a deal, not sure why you'd get so hurt over my inane comment though if you feel your doing a good job, then all the power to you!
 
Well... instead of saying "I don't agree" or something you choose to say "what an utter failure" and to give us the thumbs down... So what have YOU contributed to this site? You haven't written any reviews, you haven't suggested any bands formally (as things are done in the real world)....
 
Why don't you create a thread for this band, supply links, if possible to samples so that people that don't have that music can listen to it, and if approved, would you devote 30 minutes of your time to write the biography and add the albums?
 
Instead of complaining, and giving PA the "thumbs down", why don't you try to help?


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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

listening to Voivod for the first time
guitar is interesting enough but the production kinda sucks and the vocals are flat (depth, not pitch)


true...  great band though



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Points: 933 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2008 at 03:20
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by mithrandir mithrandir wrote:

Originally posted by avalanchemaster avalanchemaster wrote:


Gorguts (brilliance, no matter how you slice it)


I just noticed they don't have Obscura listed in the archives, man what an utter failure Thumbs%20Down
 
That was absolutely uncalled for and extremely rude.It's people like you that makes me wonder why I bother dedicating a lot of my free time for over 4 years doing what I do here on the Progressive Metal Team.
 
We considered Gorguts when the PMT were first formed but rejected them because I personally didn't want to add a band on the basis of one proggy album in their discography.


make that 2 albums,

and what about bands like Death, Enslaved, Dodheimsgard, Voivod? not exactly all Progressive albums either,

to be honest I don't really care much which albums/bands you decide to include, but an album like "Obscura" is held in high regard and considered somewhat of a cornerstone album of Progressive/Experimental Death Metal, its about as close to a Trout Mask Replica that Death Metal has ever come,

coming from the opposite side of the fence - is seems kind of silly (almost naive) to leave it out, but its not that big of a deal, not sure why you'd get so hurt over my inane comment though if you feel your doing a good job, then all the power to you!
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Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

listening to Voivod for the first time
guitar is interesting enough but the production kinda sucks and the vocals are flat (depth, not pitch)


true...  great band though
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Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

^Could that be because it's one of the older albums you're listening to?
A lot of thrash bands had pretty flat production back in thrash metal's heyday.
 
It's amazing to me Voi Vod has survived as long as they have.  One of those bands I used to listen to in my car by myself cause none of my friends liked them.
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Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Check these guys out,an instrumental band called Super String Theory.
 
 
 
Other good instrumental bands I love:
 
Collapsar
Continuo Renacer
Behold...the Arctopus
Dysrhythmia
Altera Enigma
Electro Quarterstaff
Sleep Terror
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Indricothere
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All these bands are in the archives and all have streaming samples on their band pages.
 
I have all the Cavas Solaris Big%20smile  Did start with Cortical Tectonics.
Have both Collapsar "s/t" and "Integers"
Only have "Skullgrid" by Behold...the Arctopus
Have "Barriers and Passages" and "Pretest" by Dysrhythmia
"Gretzky" by Electro Quarterstaff
Sent 12 bucks to the eMail to Sleep Terror, so hopefully I'll get that cd soon.
Love the Blotted Science cd.
 
And I still can't find a copy of Continuo Renacer. Angry
 
Spent some time Indricothere, but haven't picked it up yet. 
 
So, now I'm off to see about an Altera Enigma Octopus with Super String Theory.
 
 
 


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^Could that be because it's one of the older albums you're listening to?
A lot of thrash bands had pretty flat production back in thrash metal's heyday.
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listening to Voivod for the first time
guitar is interesting enough but the production kinda sucks and the vocals are flat (depth, not pitch)


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Check these guys out,an instrumental band called Super String Theory.
 
 
 
Other good instrumental bands I love:
 
Collapsar
Continuo Renacer
Behold...the Arctopus
Dysrhythmia
Altera Enigma
Electro Quarterstaff
Sleep Terror
Blotted Science
Indricothere
Octopus
 
All these bands are in the archives and all have streaming samples on their band pages.


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apparently Ephel Duath is working on a new album for this year, should be interesting


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Originally posted by Plankowner Plankowner wrote:

On topic, I can't seem to get enough of Canvas Solaris.  New album and I still want more.
 
If you've only heard the newest one(The Atomized Dream),I would get Cortical Tectonics next.I like it a little more than their debut.


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^I had no idea how much I would like them, geezus, they are a stunning band
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On topic, I can't seem to get enough of Canvas Solaris.  New album and I still want more.
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Points: 4006 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2008 at 23:59
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by mithrandir mithrandir wrote:

Originally posted by avalanchemaster avalanchemaster wrote:


Gorguts (brilliance, no matter how you slice it)


I just noticed they don't have Obscura listed in the archives, man what an utter failure Thumbs%20Down
 
That was absolutely uncalled for and extremely rude.It's people like you that makes me wonder why I bother dedicating a lot of my free time for over 4 years doing what I do here on the Progressive Metal Team.
 
We considered Gorguts when the PMT were first formed but rejected them because I personally didn't want to add a band on the basis of one proggy album in their discography.
 
Because other users like myself appreciate your work.  Don't worry when the lights go out he'll get the soap treatment.
 
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Wow, i can't thank you enough for that Art Metal recommendation Mike. Their single myspace sample has been enough to get me addicted. I have alot to catch up on in this thread :D

Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:

Any of you guys check out Negura Bunget? They're an experimental black metal band from Transylvania Romania. They're extremely creepy, and their album OM is practically a masterpiece!


I adore Negura Bunget! (albeit, they've certainly progressed very much since their early albums) They're style is really closer to Post Metal than most of the other bands in the Tech/Extreme genre,  so it's understandable that they don't get the attention that alot of the other Tech Prog bands do.
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