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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 09:20
Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

^^^ ok, well I guess that anyone who is able to afford £2,000 a year to commute into London, must be on a salary of at least £25,000pa to make it worth their while... would I be right??
 
But surely, not all jobs in London would pay this much?  How do people on more modest incomes, say cleaners manage to get to work?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 09:05
following this with interest..... Raff and I had considered having a fresh start there if things fall apart for her coming here.  She said is wasn't prracitcal for several reasons.. one being how damned expensive it is.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 08:55
^^^ ok, well I guess that anyone who is able to afford £2,000 a year to commute into London, must be on a salary of at least £25,000pa to make it worth their while... would I be right??
 
But surely, not all jobs in London would pay this much?  How do people on more modest incomes, say cleaners manage to get to work?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 08:46
Originally posted by darqdean darqdean wrote:

Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

^^ so, please excuse my ignorance here (I think I've been to London about 5 times in my life, always for day trips...) but why is it costing you an incredible £2000 a year, simply to get to work????  I just don't understand....Confused

it's just maths ...

 

They calculate 5 x 52 x full price return fare x some bulk-buy discount (~4%) ...

 

so £2000 equates to a daily return fare of about £8.00 ... not withstanding the obvious fact that people don't work 52 weeks of the year.

 


Yes.That's about it,Dean.

My Annual Season Ticket also includes travel on buses,tubes etc.It also entitles me and two others to travel on the SW Trains network (from London,South-Westwards as far as Exeter) for a 1/3 discount off peak. (Whoopey-do!)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 08:30
Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

^^ so, please excuse my ignorance here (I think I've been to London about 5 times in my life, always for day trips...) but why is it costing you an incredible £2000 a year, simply to get to work????  I just don't understand....Confused
it's just maths ...
 
They calculate 5 x 52 x full price return fare x some bulk-buy discount (~4%) ...
 
so £2000 equates to a daily return fare of about £8.00 ... not withstanding the obvious fact that people don't work 52 weeks of the year.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 08:28
Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

^^ so, please excuse my ignorance here (I think I've been to London about 5 times in my life, always for day trips...) but why is it costing you an incredible £2000 a year, simply to get to work????  I just don't understand....Confused


I've absolutely no idea except that rail fares increase by roughly 8-10% per annum.The cost of rail fares has risen hugely since privatisation of the railways in the 1980's.
When British Rail ran the railways before privitisation,the fares must have been capped by the governments of the time.Private rail companies (South West Trains being the one that I use to commute to and from work) seem to increase fares by between 8% and 10% each and every January.The percentage is way over the increments most people receive if they are luck enough to receive an increment and/or pay rise each year.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 07:34
back in 1998 it was costing me £900 a year to get into town, and that was off peak after 9.30 am! Shocked
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 07:25
^^ so, please excuse my ignorance here (I think I've been to London about 5 times in my life, always for day trips...) but why is it costing you an incredible £2000 a year, simply to get to work????  I just don't understand....Confused

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 06:37
In the early-mid eighties,when Ken Livingston was leader of the GLC,a 40p flat fare was applied to all bus journeys made by London Transport.The Tories managed to find some sort of legal loop hole and out-lawed the flat fare.
Ken Livingstone has,now as the Mayor for London,just re-introduced the flat fare rate on London buses (Transport for London).The fare is now £2.Not bad for London.   

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 06:08
Lee...I've just gone and got my last monthly paypacket... £785.44 net.
 
I think this MUST highlight the growing divide between the cost of living in London, compared with the shires....
 
...the was an outcry here recently, when the bus fare into Hereford rose from £2.95 to £3.10 for a 21 mile journey (owing to a reduction in govt subsidisation....)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 05:16
Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

<FONT face=Calibri size=3> plus my own £1632 per annum contribution

 

OMG!!! You pay THAT much every year, just to get into work????ShockedShockedShocked

 

That is, I have to say, absolutely shocking...as it consititutes slightly more than 2 months salary for me...Confused...seriously, I find that utterly incredulous....Confused

 

Thank God I live in my place of work.....Shocked


If you think that's extortionate;I live not far from Chris but I am one station outside the London Outer Zone 6.I had to pay an eye watering £1,944 last January.It will probably exceed £2,000 next January.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 04:03
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

plus my own £1632 per annum contribution
 
OMG!!! You pay THAT much every year, just to get into work????ShockedShockedShocked
 
That is, I have to say, absolutely shocking...as it consititutes slightly more than 2 months salary for me...Confused...seriously, I find that utterly incredulous....Confused
 
Thank God I live in my place of work.....Shocked
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 03:44
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

If I ever see little fat Belgians on the train with a waxed moustache & a supercilious expression, I always tend to punch them in the face for their creator's crimes against literature...

...they don't like me in Brussels.


But they do brew exceedingly good beer...except that cherry stuff...Yuck! It tastes like linctus.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 03:39
If I ever see little fat Belgians on the train with a waxed moustache & a supercilious expression, I always tend to punch them in the face for their creator's crimes against literature...

...they don't like me in Brussels.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 03:35
I'm always worried when I see Miss Marple and/or Hercule Poirot on the train. You know that something is in the offing and that's not including the sandwiches.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 03:18
ah........... Trevor Howard, I spent half my youth standing on railway platforms pretending to have something in my eye............. it's a ploy that I think was only ever going to work the once !
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 03:15
I blame the decline in steam locomotion - you wouldn't have got this problem when every passenger train was pulled by one of those behemoths; driver & fireman on the plate & a guard with a flag & regulation whistle; just walk firmly through the wall to platform 9 3/4 & board the express to school at the beginning of every term, bypassing Trevor Howard trying to get off as usual with that posh bit of totty, lean out of the window & wave at a young beskirted Jenny Agutter (wondering why you're having such curious stirrings in your nether regions) & wonder why Tony Curtis and Jack Lemmon appear to be dressed as ladies...

...now that was rail travel.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 03:10
I've never even been on a train.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2007 at 03:06
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

 

I boarded the 20.27 train for Strawberry Hill......

Wow Syz, no yuu are NOT being unreasonable! not at all........ i remember forking out for my yearly season ticket when I worked in London, and you are right it would not have hurt quite so much if each daily commute wasn't such a frikkin pantomime, or at least if there was someone on hand to explain the plot!
 
Japan huh?
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 22:03
No, you're being perfectly frank and honest.  Great letter!

I do suspect though, that:

a) the two missing staff members were one and the same
b) or the two missing staff members did not exist in the first place

Good luck with that, I wouldn't hold your breath for a decent reply though (but you probably already know that).  If you do get a reply, it will be written by the 15 year old work experience person, who they will use as a scapegoat, for such circumstances.

Let's hope that isn't the case.
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