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The T
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Posted: July 10 2008 at 00:26 |
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Also check out some great southamercan bands i this genre, specially Tekel or bands like Espada Sagrada or Anarkia. If you like little more exotix stuff you'll love this. |
Mmm... This new member shows some knowledge of very obscure southamerican bands.... I agree with the Tekel remark... excellent technical band, sadly I don't have a website and they haven't released any albums yet so that they could be added here, but their multi-rhythm work is just amazing....
but I don't like Espada Sagrada... it's weak and in my opinion is not technical metal...
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Posted: July 10 2008 at 00:25 |
People who don't know this subject should NOT post on this blog.
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Posted: July 10 2008 at 00:15 |
Also check out some great southamercan bands i this genre, specially Tekel or bands like Espada Sagrada or Anarkia. If you like little more exotix stuff you'll love this.
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Posted: July 10 2008 at 00:03 |
I'm patiently waiting for Altera Enigma to arrive.
And I'm seeing Mastodon on the 29th of this month
PS. Why are we playing semantics with BaldJean? Can't imagine she'd like anything in this subgenre. Maybe Canvas Solaris or Borknager's acoustic album "Origin." From what I've seen, she doesn't like the thousand notes per minute thing at all
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The T
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Posted: July 09 2008 at 23:50 |
BaldJean, I understand your point. But please: if you see the titile of this thread, is The Tech/Extreme Prog Metal APPRECIATION .... Now, if you scroll down the page before this, the "Prog Bands Artists and Genres Appreciation", you'll find two things in common: one, a lot of threads of APPRECIATION, and two, the word APPRECIATION itself in most of those threads and in the lounge's name..... So, wouldn't that give us a clue that what all these threads are for is to express APPRECIATION to bands or genres?
I (I will have to speak of myself now, but these applies to many, many other members) never go into APPRECIATION threads for bands or genres I don't like, unless is to ask for advice (like the post rock one... I'm trying to like the genre more...) I went to the Kayo Dot one as a joke, yes, as my original review of 2006's album was kind of polemical... and I also expressed my appreciation for their better (WAY better) 2008 album... If there was a Sigur Ros APPRECIATION thread, I would LOVE to go and express my "love"... but wouldn't that be considered flaming or trolling? And wouldn't that be inmature? Can't I live knowing that other people like what I dislike?
Please... create a thread called "I hate metal" or "I can't stand double bass drumming" or "Glen Gould a much better piano player than the guy in Negura Bunget"... We have other areas where those threads would be welcomed... here, well, these are APPRECIATION threads.... please.
Edited by The T - July 09 2008 at 23:52
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BaldJean
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Posted: July 09 2008 at 04:38 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
From memory, this is indeed an appreciation thread. I've went back over the thread, and people have shown nothing but love for the genre and the bands in the genre they like, until this page. The whole point of an appreciation thread is just that. APPRECIATION. I might not like some of the bands in the genre and if that's the case, I wont bash them, I'll just move on and let anyone else listen to them, because they are more than entitled do so without having to put up with anyone needlessly bashing them and/or the band. Some people might not like the genre either, which is more than fair enough, because there was a time when I didn't like it much either, but I've come to love it now. But again, an appreciation thread is to show the for Tech/Extreme Prog Metal. If people want to voice other opinions on it, it's easy just to make a thread about it. I'm talking about this in general, it seems to happen in various appreciation threads and frankly, if I have nothing nice to say about a band/genre, I'm not going to voice that opinion in an appreciation because I don't believe it's fair on the others that love it and it can start needless immature flame wars.
I love Tech/Extreme Prog as a genre, for all it's virtuosity, for all it's extreme vocal styles and for the many bands taking metal to new heights and in thread. There are guys like MikeEnRegalia, Jody, and The T who throw their hearts into the genre and for that, I will show this thread all the respect and love it deserves.
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May I also add to this, that I think the tech/extreme prog metal fans would appreciate if this thread stays on topic rather than having a post that has literally nothing to do with the thread showing up.
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well, I personally think that a thread that contains nothing but appreciation is a bit boring and borders on adulation. I think there is nothing wrong with raising a critical voice sometimes
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In this case, it's trolling, completely off topic and uncalled for. All this does is stir people up, which may not bother the troll, but to everyone else it's blatantly offensive (offensive, not just annoying). The prog lounge forum/musicians exchange exists so people can debate such things as to whether prog metal technicality is excessive or not, or whether Glenn Gould's slow playing is as/less/more technical than his slow playing. I listen to Tech/Extreme Prog metal because it speaks to me, and there is not a right or wrong as to how we should respond emotionally to music and what we perceive as emotional or not. I like it, others don't have to and understandably wont and for those that don't, move on and let other's enjoy it. |
have it your way; I know it would not bother me in the least if there were a critical response in an appreciation thread created by me; on the contrary, I would welcome it. and I mentioned Gould only to criticize the name "tech", not the genre itself. the name is simply misleading
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: July 09 2008 at 04:34 |
BaldJean wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
From memory, this is indeed an appreciation thread. I've went back over the thread, and people have shown nothing but love for the genre and the bands in the genre they like, until this page. The whole point of an appreciation thread is just that. APPRECIATION. I might not like some of the bands in the genre and if that's the case, I wont bash them, I'll just move on and let anyone else listen to them, because they are more than entitled do so without having to put up with anyone needlessly bashing them and/or the band. Some people might not like the genre either, which is more than fair enough, because there was a time when I didn't like it much either, but I've come to love it now. But again, an appreciation thread is to show the for Tech/Extreme Prog Metal. If people want to voice other opinions on it, it's easy just to make a thread about it. I'm talking about this in general, it seems to happen in various appreciation threads and frankly, if I have nothing nice to say about a band/genre, I'm not going to voice that opinion in an appreciation because I don't believe it's fair on the others that love it and it can start needless immature flame wars.
I love Tech/Extreme Prog as a genre, for all it's virtuosity, for all it's extreme vocal styles and for the many bands taking metal to new heights and in thread. There are guys like MikeEnRegalia, Jody, and The T who throw their hearts into the genre and for that, I will show this thread all the respect and love it deserves.
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May I also add to this, that I think the tech/extreme prog metal fans would appreciate if this thread stays on topic rather than having a post that has literally nothing to do with the thread showing up.
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well, I personally think that a thread that contains nothing but appreciation is a bit boring and borders on adulation. I think there is nothing wrong with raising a critical voice sometimes
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In this case, it's trolling, completely off topic and uncalled for. All this does is stir people up, which may not bother the troll, but to everyone else it's blatantly offensive (offensive, not just annoying). The prog lounge forum/musicians exchange exists so people can debate such things as to whether prog metal technicality is excessive or not, or whether Glenn Gould's slow playing is as/less/more technical than his slow playing. I listen to Tech/Extreme Prog metal because it speaks to me, and there is not a right or wrong as to how we should respond emotionally to music and what we perceive as emotional or not. I like it, others don't have to and understandably wont and for those that don't, move on and let other's enjoy it.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: July 09 2008 at 04:26 |
jmcdaniel_ee wrote:
Between the Buried and Me's album Alaska. |
I actually only started listening to this 7 days ago and I love it already. The outro guitar solo in Selkies: The Endless Obsession captured my heart almost instantly, and I knew soon after I had to learn how to play the solo, which is what I've been doing for the last few days. It's fairly tricky too, which makes it a challenge. I hear the band is going back into the studio after November, and I eagerly await new material from them
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BaldJean
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Posted: July 09 2008 at 04:26 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
From memory, this is indeed an appreciation thread. I've went back over the thread, and people have shown nothing but love for the genre and the bands in the genre they like, until this page. The whole point of an appreciation thread is just that. APPRECIATION. I might not like some of the bands in the genre and if that's the case, I wont bash them, I'll just move on and let anyone else listen to them, because they are more than entitled do so without having to put up with anyone needlessly bashing them and/or the band. Some people might not like the genre either, which is more than fair enough, because there was a time when I didn't like it much either, but I've come to love it now. But again, an appreciation thread is to show the for Tech/Extreme Prog Metal. If people want to voice other opinions on it, it's easy just to make a thread about it. I'm talking about this in general, it seems to happen in various appreciation threads and frankly, if I have nothing nice to say about a band/genre, I'm not going to voice that opinion in an appreciation because I don't believe it's fair on the others that love it and it can start needless immature flame wars.
I love Tech/Extreme Prog as a genre, for all it's virtuosity, for all it's extreme vocal styles and for the many bands taking metal to new heights and in thread. There are guys like MikeEnRegalia, Jody, and The T who throw their hearts into the genre and for that, I will show this thread all the respect and love it deserves.
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May I also add to this, that I think the tech/extreme prog metal fans would appreciate if this thread stays on topic rather than having a post that has literally nothing to do with the thread showing up.
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well, I personally think that a thread that contains nothing but appreciation is a bit boring and borders on adulation. I think there is nothing wrong with raising a critical voice sometimes
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: July 09 2008 at 04:18 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
From memory, this is indeed an appreciation thread. I've went back over the thread, and people have shown nothing but love for the genre and the bands in the genre they like, until this page. The whole point of an appreciation thread is just that. APPRECIATION. I might not like some of the bands in the genre and if that's the case, I wont bash them, I'll just move on and let anyone else listen to them, because they are more than entitled do so without having to put up with anyone needlessly bashing them and/or the band. Some people might not like the genre either, which is more than fair enough, because there was a time when I didn't like it much either, but I've come to love it now. But again, an appreciation thread is to show the for Tech/Extreme Prog Metal. If people want to voice other opinions on it, it's easy just to make a thread about it. I'm talking about this in general, it seems to happen in various appreciation threads and frankly, if I have nothing nice to say about a band/genre, I'm not going to voice that opinion in an appreciation because I don't believe it's fair on the others that love it and it can start needless immature flame wars.
I love Tech/Extreme Prog as a genre, for all it's virtuosity, for all it's extreme vocal styles and for the many bands taking metal to new heights and in thread. There are guys like MikeEnRegalia, Jody, and The T who throw their hearts into the genre and for that, I will show this thread all the respect and love it deserves.
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May I also add to this, that I think the tech/extreme prog metal fans would appreciate if this thread stays on topic rather than having a post that has literally nothing to do with the thread showing up.
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BaldJean
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Posted: July 09 2008 at 04:04 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
Well, I have to say that these bands fall into the same pit that some jazz-rock artists fell into before (Al DiMeola, for example).
First of all, the mere name "Tech Metal" is already misleading; technique is being confused with speed here. There are lots of other instrumental techniques than mere speed, many of which can NOT be used at high speed, or at least even if they can be used they lose their effect. This seems to be something which many people forget. Listen to an acoustic guitar piece by Steve Hackett; it much more deserves to be named "technical", even if it is a lot slower. Paganini could certainly play breathtakingly fast, but he got the most "awws" when he played slowly and used some other extraordinary techniques then. Read up on him if you don't believe me.
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As a rule of thumb, the difficulty of any piece of music increases with speed. Therefore if you try to group pieces by technical difficulty, this group is bound to contain more fast pieces than slow ones. However, of course it is true that slow parts can also be difficult to play. Having said that, most of the bands in Tech Metal don't play fast all the time ...
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I disagree about the rule of thumbs, Mike, and even have an excellent counter example from classical music: classical pianist Glenn Gould, whom many consider to be the greatest piano player of the 20th century, recorded Bach's Goldberg variations twice, once in his youth and once 26 years later. the second recording is much slower, but certainly not because he couldn't play fast anymore, and if you think it is less technical then you have no idea of piano playing. playing breathtakingly fast is the privilege of youth who think speed impresses; as you grow older expression impresses you a lot more. on a side note: there do exist 4 recordings of the Goldberg variations by Gould now, but only 2 of them were published during his lifetime
Edited by BaldJean - July 09 2008 at 04:22
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Posted: July 08 2008 at 20:29 |
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Can any of you recomend me any black metal bands in the vein of Alcest, with mellower, almost post rockier atmospheres? |
if you want even mellower bands that retain a good sonic fuzz, you might want to check into some shoegazer stuff like Lovesliescrushing, Flying Saucer Attack and Lycia(first 3 albums) Lifelover might be worth looking into, very mellow clean vocal BM band, with a strong Goth influence Circle of Ouroborus is also great, not quite like Alcest, but more of a Post-Punk inspired BM band, like The Fall and Joy Division with weird moaning vocals, unique chord structures and production that sounds like a band trapped in a gray rainstorm also try these Deathspell Omega albums first "Si Monumentum" and "Kénôse", they have some distinctly Post-Rock passages...
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Posted: July 08 2008 at 20:17 |
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Alcest (the most tame BM you'll ever find) |
I'd barely even call em BM, more of a shoegaze/darkwave project with Lycia most likely being his #1 influence, also seems to draw a bit of influence from the very first Ulver album, Im sure you're aware of Neige's main band Peste Noire right? nothing Progressive in the least just well played BM from top to bottom, I've enjoyed and explored a LOT of music in my day, but if I had to choose I'd say BM is probably the genre I have the most affinity for, starting with Venom, Bathory etc to present day....although I don't pay attention to as many BM bands that come out nowadays, just a few select bands that still manage to grab my attention,
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Posted: July 08 2008 at 17:07 |
tokenrove wrote:
I don't tend to like my black metal mellow, but two bands you might want to check out are Deathspell Omega and Nachtmystium. Start with the most recent two albums of both, if you don't know them. I have also heard good things about Velvet Cacoon; I haven't heard much myself, but it might be something to your taste as well. |
Thanks, I've been recomeded Deathspell Omega a couple of times, I'll be sure to jump on getting some albums as soon as I can.
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Posted: July 08 2008 at 16:40 |
I don't tend to like my black metal mellow, but two bands you might want to check out are Deathspell Omega and Nachtmystium. Start with the most recent two albums of both, if you don't know them. I have also heard good things about Velvet Cacoon; I haven't heard much myself, but it might be something to your taste as well.
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Posted: July 08 2008 at 16:24 |
Mithrandir, I really like you here, and although you dont "contribute" to the site in a more conventional way, I like the discussion you make on the forums, and another extreme metalhead here, means more bands getting noticed, whether you're aware of this or not. Lets just think before we act out, you never know how personally someone may take some things.
With that being said, I have been swimming in of metal, the kind of metal like my coffee, BLACK. I must admit, I'm only scratching the surface, but most of the bands I've been listening to are excellent.
Ulver (firs couple of albums)
Wolves in the Throne room
Negura Bunget
Enslaved
Emperor
Isahn
Alcest (the most tame BM you'll ever find)
To name a few...
Isahn has become a big favorite of mine, even though his vocals are ridiculusly raspy, he manages to create dark, progressive black metal, and even has guest singers from all corners of the metal spectrum come in on his album (garm from Ulver, and Mickael Ackerfeldt). My favorite BM band is still WitTR, soooo goood, their backround is a little creepy though.
While all the albums are really good (Negura Bungets OM being the best), a lot do get a little obnoxious, and dont ever tend to mellow down. Besides Alcest of course. Can any of you recomend me any black metal bands in the vein of Alcest, with mellower, almost post rockier atmospheres?
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Posted: July 08 2008 at 14:48 |
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I have been meaning to hear that Thanatoschizo...... |
Their last two before that are also worth a listen (and more).
I've only heard Zoom Code once, and it was pretty good, better production than previous recordings and continuing in their line, progressing a bit.
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Posted: July 08 2008 at 14:43 |
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I know Mithrandir did not mean anything personal by his comment, it was off-the-cuff and really should be taken with a grain of salt,
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yeah, as you know Im used to forums where we nudge and snipe at eachother in the most absurd/extreme(and sometimes humorus) fashion and at the end of the day everyone pretty much gets along, actually when I first signed on here about 2 years ago I got "warned" that I was too brash in my attitude, hehe....okay, but I only started frequenting here again when I saw that this forum had become more active with an assortment of music topics, in addition to the regular Prog topics,
anyhow you can just replaced harsher word of "failure" with the safer "misstep"...which I still think it is, but honestly it doesn't matter all that much to me, the funny thing is I don't even like Gorguts that much, and Obscura wouldn't even clock in one of my top 1000 albums of all time!....hell, I didn't even like their first 2 albums when they came out, but at least I recognize the uniqueness and significance of Obscura---and find it astonishing why at least that album wasn't included yet a band like Wolves in the Throne Room is, (which is a whole new argument all together), ....but as I pointed out I have nothing invested here as so many of you do, I have no pull only a small voice, that is all
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Posted: July 08 2008 at 14:42 |
I have been meaning to hear that Thanatoschizo......
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