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rushfan4
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 14:49 |
I am just finishing up my Blind Guardian marathon. I don't have their 1st and 3rd albums but I have the rest and I am now finishing up with their double live album.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 14:47 |
I'm already on Album 9 of my Tangerine Dream marathon. I have no life.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 14:45 |
TGM: Orb wrote:
Lexy wrote:
Alright. I just may check that out if I get curious. |
I think it'd maybe be the one you'd like most of his solo recordings, FWIW. Loops & Reels (aka. the freaky electronic sh*t), maybe, is completely unrelated to the others, but if you don't like IC, I wouldn't bother with any of his other primetime albums (know the singer-songwriter stuff isn't up your alley, anyway, and the progressive ones are at least similar to IC).
If something has freaky electronic sh*t, there's a much higher probability of me liking it. Usually. I may try In Camera one of these days, if I'm feeling like I have enough motivation to try anything that Hammill touched again, haha. I probably will. If it was instrumental, I'd go for it much sooner.
For the most part, I'd agree with that. I think Rush and VDGG are similar in that regard that they're really persistent and masters of what they do. But what they do isn't to everyone's taste or understanding. |
I'd drink to that but, at my end, it's like Robert's house after 7.30. All the beer's gone.
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Padraic
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 14:45 |
TGM: Orb wrote:
I'd drink to that but, at my end, it's like Robert's house after 7.30. All the beer's gone.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 14:43 |
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I'm quite neutral when it comes to VdGG. To be honest, I'd probably give most of their albums 3 stars. But it's impossible to review them, since I'm sometimes in the mood to be really immersed by the music on Still Life and Godbluff.
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You're more partial to them than I am then. Hammill's voice and lyrics come off to me as the opposite of what I look for in music, and the music is quite boring. I'd give all their albums 1 or 2 stars by PA's guidelines. Godbluff is the best one though; that may get 3 if I'm feeling generous. They're pretty much the biggest disappointment with any band, prog or otherwise, that I've ever fully tried to get into.
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 14:41 |
Lexy wrote:
Alright. I just may check that out if I get curious. |
I think it'd maybe be the one you'd like most of his solo recordings, FWIW. Loops & Reels (aka. the freaky electronic sh*t), maybe, is completely unrelated to the others, but if you don't like IC, I wouldn't bother with any of his other primetime albums (know the singer-songwriter stuff isn't up your alley, anyway, and the progressive ones are at least similar to IC).
Lus wrote:
I just said it to be spiteful anyway |
For the most part, I'd agree with that. I think Rush and VDGG are similar in that regard that they're really persistent and masters of what they do. But what they do isn't to everyone's taste or understanding. |
I'd drink to that but, at my end, it's like Robert's house after 7.30. All the beer's gone.
Ricky wrote:
I don't have that yet, but still: |
It's good. First listen only so far.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 14:41 |
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LinusW
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 14:41 |
I'm quite neutral when it comes to VdGG. To be honest, I'd probably give most of their albums 3 stars. But it's impossible to review them, since I'm sometimes in the mood to be really immersed by the music on Still Life and Godbluff.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 14:40 |
rushfan4 wrote:
There doesn't seem to be a great amount of overlap in their fan bases either. Not to say that there isn't an overlap, but the biggest Rush bashers tend to be VDGG fans, and the biggest Rush fans don't tend to be that big of VDGG fans. Certainly not all inclusive or exclusive but I've noticed a bit of this within the forums. |
I've noticed that too. Though I also noticed my tastes aren't normal for a typical Rush fan either, so most people like me SHOULD like VDGG. But I don't.
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rushfan4
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 14:39 |
Padraic wrote:
I shall make In Camera the first solo Hammill I obtain, then.
TGM: Orb wrote:
goes and puts Playing The Fool in the Shred Room stereo*
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I don't have that yet, but still:
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Is that a Gentle Giant reference or something else?
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rushfan4
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 14:38 |
There doesn't seem to be a great amount of overlap in their fan bases either. Not to say that there isn't an overlap, but the biggest Rush bashers tend to be VDGG fans, and the biggest Rush fans don't tend to be that big of VDGG fans. Certainly not all inclusive or exclusive but I've noticed a bit of this within the forums.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 14:37 |
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 14:36 |
TGM: Orb wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
LinusW wrote:
Alex: In Camera
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You know how I feel about VDGG and Hammill (really unimpressed). Would it be worth my time?
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I doubt you'd like all of it. But I wouldn't be amazed if you liked/appreciated at least some of it. No guarantees, though.
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Alright. I just may check that out if I get curious.
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LinusW
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 14:36 |
TGM: Orb wrote:
LinusW wrote:
VdGG and Hammill.
*sigh*
Such overratednessism.
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*mutters something about the fans appreciating uncompromising artistic vision... goes and puts Playing The Fool in the Shred Room stereo*
Yeah, perhaps they're overrated by the fans, but I think it's the same sort of thing as the yes-we-do-love-Rush-just-like-that endemic. Bands that don't compromise their vision much, are confident and have an idea of what they want to do, I think, tend to pick up very fiercely supportive followers, in lesser or greater numbers.
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Probably, yes. I just said it to be spiteful anyway
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 14:36 |
TGM: Orb wrote:
LinusW wrote:
VdGG and Hammill.
*sigh*
Such overratednessism.
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*mutters something about the fans appreciating uncompromising artistic vision... goes and puts Playing The Fool in the Shred Room stereo*
Yeah, perhaps they're overrated by the fans, but I think it's the same sort of thing as the yes-we-do-love-Rush-just-like-that endemic. Bands that don't compromise their vision much, are confident and have an idea of what they want to do, I think, tend to pick up very fiercely supportive followers, in lesser or greater numbers.
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For the most part, I'd agree with that. I think Rush and VDGG are similar in that regard that they're really persistent and masters of what they do. But what they do isn't to everyone's taste or understanding.
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Padraic
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 14:35 |
I shall make In Camera the first solo Hammill I obtain, then.
TGM: Orb wrote:
goes and puts Playing The Fool in the Shred Room stereo*
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I don't have that yet, but still:
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 14:34 |
MovingPictures07 wrote:
LinusW wrote:
Alex: In Camera
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You know how I feel about VDGG and Hammill (really unimpressed). Would it be worth my time?
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I doubt you'd like all of it. But I wouldn't be amazed if you liked/appreciated at least some of it. No guarantees, though.
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 14:33 |
LinusW wrote:
VdGG and Hammill.
*sigh*
Such overratednessism.
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*mutters something about the fans appreciating uncompromising artistic vision... goes and puts Playing The Fool in the Shred Room stereo* Yeah, perhaps they're overrated by the fans, but I think it's the same sort of thing as the yes-we-do-love-Rush-just-like-that endemic. Bands that don't compromise their vision much, are confident and have an idea of what they want to do, I think, tend to pick up very fiercely supportive followers, in lesser or greater numbers.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 14:32 |
LinusW wrote:
Alex: In Camera
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You know how I feel about VDGG and Hammill (really unimpressed). Would it be worth my time?
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: May 11 2009 at 14:32 |
Keppa4v wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Keppa4v wrote:
I really respect their musicianship as individuals and as a unit, and their compositions are really clever, but so far the 80s Crimso hasn't really connected with me the way the earlier lineups. I miss the beauty they had earlier, there are pretty things like Matte Kudasai, but to me it's just a pretty little thing, it doesn't reach me emotionally. I think the earlier Crimso was more diverse in their feel and sound, but it may just be that I'm not familiar enough with the later era to really see all there is Yet. |
That's funny you say that... Because I really like earlier Crimson, but my feelings are just the opposite of yours.
When Belew comes into the fold, then that's when the immense amounts of emotion and creativity come into play for me. My favorite earlier album though is Larks, and while that is 5 stars, it still just isn't the same to later Crimson for me.
One of my favorite Crimson albums is the ProjeKcts boxset. It's a shame that more people aren't made aware of that.
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That's how you recognize a great band; everyone has different favorites Definitely. I'm massively biased towards the early Crimso for the simple reason that Red and In the Court were my two first prog albums ever and Starless is probably my all time favourite song. My first prog band and still there's stuff to find, I like that That's completely understandable.
Now it's bedtime, first I'll see what Miss Marple is up to with her Sleeping Murder, then it's zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... |
Take care!
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