SR V: To boldly go where no room has gone before

Oh and I'm sorry to crush the earlier thoughts by Rushman but Mike loves Rush and VdGG.  So there are exceptions to the rule. 

Edited by James - May 11 2009 at 16:02

Ricochet wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Ricochet wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Ricochet wrote: cacho wrote: Damn, I did miss quite A LOT..... 20 pages of Peter Hammill's lyrics!! Guess Peter Hammill is the new Animal Collective. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Haha, no way. Animal Collective achieves levels of greatness in their vomit than Peter Hammill ever could. Cut it out, that's not funny. I was serious. On the plus side, I'm on my 9th album in my Tangerine Dream marathon: Encore. Pretty sweet. Every album so far has been absolute masterliness. Ricochet was especially good. Changing the subject, ey, you piece o- Argh, can't help it, I love what you wrote right there.

Just finished Encore. Then it's Sorcerer, Cyclone, Force Majeure, Tangram, and Pergamon for later tonight--in that order.

Their music is such win. They should be higher on my last.fm though, since they're one of my favorite artists ever. Stupid long songs.

MovingPictures07 wrote: Epignosis wrote: Test for Echo haters fail. Where did you get that?

I was just finishing up my review.

TGM: Orb wrote: James wrote: But those lyrics are not typical Hammill. That's my point. Well, in terms of content, I think Hammill lets himself go much more specifically-personal, if that makes sense, in his solo career. His ideas are always heartfelt and deeply personal, but he avoids, I think, making them 'just' (wrong word, but sort... of, the basic content is just about himself, the implications go beyond it) about himself with VDGG. It's not really typical, because Hammill doesn't really have a typical style or subject matter (well, at least, in that very literary 73-4 phase... it somewhat creeps in later, and when he's writing for less diverse music, he writes in a less diverse style), though of his defining characteristics - most obviously, search for meaning, tendency for metaphor and emotional catharsis - I think all are in there. Technically, it's got a clear structure (verse-verse-break-verse), but it's allowed to run very freely within that, and they're not tightly ordered, but there is a clear sense of development, which is what I'd call his 'typical' style.

Definitely.

Hammill was rarely serious lyrically for VdGG.  Although he did write about personal issues in songs like La Rossa, it was Over that was truly about his break-up with his wife.  He was indeed much more heartfelt in his solo work.  He was his lyrical peak in the time-frame you mention too.  He's never really had that many bad moments lyrically though.

Epignosis wrote: Test for Echo haters fail.

Where did you get that?

rushfan4 wrote: LinusW wrote: Scotty-boy! Did you listen to those Edguy tracks? 1 1/2 down; 1/2 of Pharoah to go.  Good stuff.  Actutally reminds me a bit of Iron Maiden too.    Which reminded me that I also have a handful of Iced Earth albums, and Avantasia's Scarecrow.  Probably, there are others too, but I can't think of any off hand.

I know. While some songs are pure power-metal, they like to draw heavily from Iron Maiden and Judas Priest as well as some epic 70s proto-metal like Rainbow and even Deep Purple. Enjoyable mix.

Padraic wrote: cacho wrote: You own zero of good music My last.fm list begs to differ.

Matter of opinion there.

"FLIES

As I opened the back door,
two flies were copulating on the cooker:
I found this very significant.
Late at night, my hand groped
for the aerosol.

They stayed together for the first
few seconds, wings scorched in the sudden fire,
minds disintegrating in the deadly mist.
Quite suddenly, the male tore himself away
from his penis
and dropped to the floor.
She remained, rolling around on the white enamel
and then fell through a crack into the oven.
Perhaps she had been a virgin
and thought this was what always happened.

I ate my egg
with a few pangs of conscience.
Later that night these disappeared
when another fly
shat on me from the light bulb
above my bed."


Mmmmm!

James wrote: But those lyrics are not typical Hammill. That's my point.

Well, in terms of content, I think Hammill lets himself go much more specifically-personal, if that makes sense, in his solo career. His ideas are always heartfelt and deeply personal, but he avoids, I think, making them 'just' (wrong word, but sort... of, the basic content is just about himself, the implications go beyond it) about himself with VDGG.

It's not really typical, because Hammill doesn't really have a typical style or subject matter (well, at least, in that very literary 73-4 phase... it somewhat creeps in later, and when he's writing for less diverse music, he writes in a less diverse style), though of his defining characteristics - most obviously, search for meaning, tendency for metaphor and emotional catharsis - I think all are in there. Technically, it's got a clear structure (verse-verse-break-verse), but it's allowed to run very freely within that, and they're not tightly ordered, but there is a clear sense of development, which is what I'd call his 'typical' style.

LinusW wrote: Scotty-boy! Did you listen to those Edguy tracks?

1 1/2 down; 1/2 of Pharoah to go.  Good stuff.  Actutally reminds me a bit of Iron Maiden too.