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Posted: March 22 2011 at 16:43

Wow this was really cool to watch!

Warning: Video not for the feint of heart. Just kidding! LOL

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Posted: March 22 2011 at 16:26

Wow, this song is awesome! Guess I know what I'm going to be looking for now Tongue

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Posted: March 22 2011 at 15:11

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His first album "D" (1971) is a masterpiece - the rest of his catalogue seems to me to be rather boring new age stuff. (not really that much into it - but what I've heard is very disappointing compared to the amazing "D")

And this is the only album that could/should/would be described as "krautrock", or at least it has passages in it that fit the description really well.

Eberhard Schoenner ... is gonna be tough for this place ... because he is all over the place, and very good, although in my book his later stuff went down hill a bit for my tastes. I think, can not verify it, that he is responsible for helping The Police come together. Bali Agung is great, but one of my all time favorite albums for meditation ... is .... you got it ... Tranceformation ... it was the first album to mix Gregorian Chants, Electric Guitar and Electronics, I think. And the guitar? ... Andy Summers! ... and in the next two or three albums ... you got Sting singing. ... "Why Don't You Answer?" ...

I would like to add Eberhard to this group here, but writing about him is gonna be tough ... not sure I have seen a whole lot about him ... I'll see what I can do about this.

There are a lot of electronic and experimental folks in the mid 70's, that was really exciting, and I hope to make a small list of them and the things I have ... both German and French were massive in this area.

I agree that Schoener went downhill later, but up to "Trance-Formation" he did some excellent stuff. "Flashback" and "Video Magic" were ok too, but with "Events" he really went downhill.
he never was new age though; I disagree there. not even "Meditation" can be called "new age", and "Bali Agung" and "Tranceformation" definitely are not new age. my favorite album is "Bali Agung"

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Posted: March 22 2011 at 14:25

The Swedish band "The Skull Defekts". may be interesting for krautrockers. Reminds me of Can.

The video is black in the beginning, picture will come later.

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Posted: March 22 2011 at 13:53

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Mosh, have you ever heard Dzyan?

Yeah ... I don't have the albums, but have them on the Space Pirate Radio shows ... only problem is ... I have no idea which it is as there is about 10% of the material played in there that I have no idea what it is.

But it is on my must get list.

I also have several solo albums from many Japanese folks. Imai is the one that comes to mind right away. And I think that he came from the Sadistic Mika Band ... that whole family had some awesome musicians around them. I want to get Sadistic Mika Band's first album for Dean on his birthday ... if he doesn't have it ... and then play "Picanic Boogie" out loud for him ... psychedelic fun!

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Posted: March 22 2011 at 13:48

Paravion wrote:

And this is the only album that could/should/would be described as "krautrock", or at least it has passages in it that fit the description really well.

I would like to add Eberhard to this group here, but writing about him is gonna be tough ... not sure I have seen a whole lot about him ... I'll see what I can do about this.

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Posted: March 22 2011 at 04:23

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Even better, and far more meditative and for the initiated and adept ONLY, would be Frank Perry's 2 albums, Deep Peace and New Atlantis ... and these are intense enough that I have only met one person that could listen to them at length before they freaked out and had to say something because they could not trip any further without distracting themselves, or getting away from it.

Thanks - sounds interesting - will check out on occasion.

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One other German with music that is also out there ... Deuter ... although he says he devotes the music to the Rajneesh and his people, in the end, it is excellent music and very well attuned to the internal trip.

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Posted: March 22 2011 at 04:22

also if you like Limbus 4 try "Meditation" and "Bali Agung" by Eberhard Schoener. here an example:

by the way: why is Eberhard Schoener still not in the archives? mystery of mysteries

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Posted: March 21 2011 at 20:31

Mosh, have you ever heard Dzyan?

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Posted: March 21 2011 at 19:24

Hi,

If you like Limbus, there are a couple of others you might want to listen to that are very serious meditation stuff ... Wolff and Hemmings, of course, have a nice series with "Tibetan Bells" and all of the albums are excellent, and a total meditation.

I have a whole bunch of Stephen Micus albums, and they are similar, but I can not tell you right now the connection, or if it is merely experimentation, which I don't think it is. I think his name is D. Parsons and has a pair of CD's relating to the Himalayas, whose title fails me right now. Lovely meditations!

Now you know why "progressive music" (and long cuts) are not appreciated by many folks ... they are not used to "concentrating" and "staying there" ... in order to learn more about the experience ... go ahead and ask Jean about that ... and in many ways, for me, this was the special side of "krautrock". You get Popol Vuh doing the meditations with hardcore electronics, and then you get Guru Guru and others doing it with rock music, and then this and that doing it with a little jazz ... and it was far out for me ... it was the "modern meditation" for me ... and I loved it with all my heart and then some.

In the end, it is an important "experiential" thing ... the rest, including my words ... not always valuable, because most people have never experienced to have any idea what I am talking about. And I consider myself a highschooler, when it comes to meditation and internal things -- but because of language and culture changes in my teens and later ... guess what my talent is ... "translating the unknown" ... and I love the internal life and living and loving ... and music that lives there is truly special.

Most of us in the western world are not tuned to enjoying a raga or an internal trip ... we're way too mental to be able to get there -- and rock/jazz/classical/popular music, is not "free enough" to allow it to happen, at least not within the context we talk about here for the most part. There are some exceptions on the ECM label, but they are hard to find and understand.

Like the dreamers love to say ... it's about "the unknowable" ... and our communication with it!

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Posted: March 21 2011 at 00:27

Roman Bunka and his band with a track from his first solo alnum. this video should make clear why he is one of my favorite guitar players:

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Posted: March 20 2011 at 23:16

I love Krautrock. I'm a real newbie to the genre...just started listening to Can and Neu!, and will soon be hearing Faust. Thanks for making an awesome thread.

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Posted: March 20 2011 at 23:06

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"Which means that it (music) is not about mastery of a well-known instrument, but about spiritual polyphony. Kraus gives hints how to listen to the record - you'll need a finely woven oriental rug and a meditative state of mind - perhaps catalysed by engaging in designing mandala (I use yoga postures) then you're ready to be taken infinitively far away by this cosmic music experience."

the "god" cortex?

thank you for all the video links.

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Posted: March 19 2011 at 05:27

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Limbus 3 - Oneway-trip from the record New Atlantic: Cosmic Music Experience (1969)

Inside the gatefold of the record you read a German extract of Francis Bacon's novel Nova Atlantis (1623) wherein is emphasized the unlimited possibilities of music-making as well as some notes written by the band member Gerd Kraus: "Es geht nicht um virtuose Beherrschung eines ausgeprägten Instrumentes, sondern um geistige Polyphonie. Das is eine Arbeitsmethode. Mandalas, Katalysatoren der meditation, feingewobene Teppiche, auf denen man sich unendlich weit tragen lassen kann"

Which means that it (music) is not about mastery of a well-known instrument, but about spiritual polyphony. Kraus gives hints how to listen to the record - you'll need a finely woven oriental rug and a meditative state of mind - perhaps catalysed by engaging in designing mandala (I use yoga postures) then you're ready to be taken infinitively far away by this cosmic music experience.

It's all very serious, and few records can bear titles like "cosmic music experience" without being subject to ridicule. This one is great, they know what they are doing - and it's probably my favourite meditative record. It's uncompromising, perhaps a difficult listening (little melody, loosely structured..) but it's very unique - primarily due to the many exotic acoustic instruments, for example the valiha - a Madagascan folk instrument.

In 1970 Limbus 4 (addition of a band member) issued the follow-up Mandalas on the no. one kraut label Ohr. Even more instruments, better production and a little more focus on structure - just as good

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Posted: March 12 2011 at 15:58

Wow... never seen those 2 videos, those are awesome!

Keep the vintage stuff coming!

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Posted: March 11 2011 at 13:38

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How many Can fans have heard this song:

I think I have a fairly complete CAN catalogue, but I can't see this link right now and check later.

I also have lots of Irmin Schmidt and Holger Czukay ... in fact as much as I live Can, Holger's first 2 solo albums are totally out of this world and still listed in the top of my favorites ... and he once told me he didn't like them ... !!!!

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Posted: March 11 2011 at 10:00

Here's another of their lesser known tracks, an improv they frequently did live, sometimes up to 35 minutes. Love this peel session version, which goes on for a bit longer still on the album

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