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Posted: June 25 2013 at 17:33
Knobby
I repeat: protoprog is just a dealer term to link certain bands to a distinguishable sound. It is NOT A GENRE which need coverage or pidgeonholing here.
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This proto-prog GENRE is what is defined (collectively) by ProgArchives and not by individuals.
This proto-prog GENRE is what is defined (collectively) by ProgArchives and not by individuals.
Notwithstanding this, I personally appreciate your input and suggest you substantiate your point. No need to get upset
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Posted: June 25 2013 at 16:35
dr wu23 wrote:
Well ...the PA 'guys' consider The Moody Blues and Procol to be crossover/prog rock and not proto prog per se....but those are certainly 2 early bands with an early prog sound...and I might have chose In Search Of The Lost Chord which we played the crap out of also in college.
Moody Blues was proto prog in the 60's but became crossover prog in the 70's.
In Held T'was In I is the definitive proto-prog song IMO
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Posted: June 25 2013 at 16:30
dr wu23 wrote:
So what is your single favorite Proto-Prog album of all time from the early days when prog was still in it's infancy between 1967 and 1970...?
I find myself over the years playing 'Twelve Dreams of Dr Sardonicus' by Spirit more than any other proto prog record. What's your story?
That particular album is not my cup of tea considering it's release being after prog was born around itCotCK. On the other hand, Spirit is one of my favorite proto prog bands.
Revolver was the spark, but Sgt. Pepper was the fire that kept prog burning...the sky was the limit...everything was allowed/possible.
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Posted: June 25 2013 at 12:12
It's too bad that so many threads have to degenerate into arguments about what is really what type of music. I fear there are too many hard bolied egos on the forum.
Back to some lp's/tracks that I liked from the old days......to me these are 'proto prog'.
Pussy-Plays
Five Day Rain
East Of Eden-Mercator..
Arcadium-Breathe..
The Gods-Genesis
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Posted: June 25 2013 at 10:24
Svetonio wrote:
Dean wrote:
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Dean wrote:
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I agree with Knobby. Many bands have continued with proto sound after 1970, so that we can call these bands proto prog; i.e. the same as we call krautrock a band who released a debut album in 2013 e.g. in Italy.
What makes that Italian band "Krautrock"? Serious question.
Nothing makes it krautrock if you like that, but we still call it krautrock.
So, why we call it krautrock?
There's some reason for that.
Laziness?
Of course not.
Then what is it? Since this theoretic band does not actually exist then there would be some characteristic that makes them more Krautrock than Psych Prog or Advant Prog or Jazz Rock or combinations thereof. If this is so obvious and such a no-brainer that it is a reflex reaction to automatically say "Krautrock" when this ficticious Italian band is first heard then how is this so when there is such diversity in musical styles and directions within the German bands that (unforunately) get dumped into this illnamed catch-all miasma that is laughingly called a "genre" by all except that bands that started it. What are the musical simularities between Can, Amon Düül, Popol Vuh, Faust, Guru Guru (and even Tangerin Dream and Kraftwerk if you're feeling real lazy) that make anyone say that a 2013 band from Italy is Krautrock?
You asked why do we call it Krautrock and I answered - that is the historically accurate reason - laziness - pure unadulterated journalistic laziness ... in the 1970s if it was rock and came from Germany it got called Krautrock by lazy British journalists and ever since then we have invented a "genre" around that zenophobic insult, but its still a lazy generalisation.
Aha.
Well, my answer is that krautrock still exist.
...for bands that were called Krautrock in the 1970s.
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Posted: June 25 2013 at 10:16
Dean wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
Dean wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
Dean wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
I agree with Knobby. Many bands have continued with proto sound after 1970, so that we can call these bands proto prog; i.e. the same as we call krautrock a band who released a debut album in 2013 e.g. in Italy.
What makes that Italian band "Krautrock"? Serious question.
Nothing makes it krautrock if you like that, but we still call it krautrock.
So, why we call it krautrock?
There's some reason for that.
Laziness?
Of course not.
Then what is it? Since this theoretic band does not actually exist then there would be some characteristic that makes them more Krautrock than Psych Prog or Advant Prog or Jazz Rock or combinations thereof. If this is so obvious and such a no-brainer that it is a reflex reaction to automatically say "Krautrock" when this ficticious Italian band is first heard then how is this so when there is such diversity in musical styles and directions within the German bands that (unforunately) get dumped into this illnamed catch-all miasma that is laughingly called a "genre" by all except that bands that started it. What are the musical simularities between Can, Amon Düül, Popol Vuh, Faust, Guru Guru (and even Tangerin Dream and Kraftwerk if you're feeling real lazy) that make anyone say that a 2013 band from Italy is Krautrock?
You asked why do we call it Krautrock and I answered - that is the historically accurate reason - laziness - pure unadulterated journalistic laziness ... in the 1970s if it was rock and came from Germany it got called Krautrock by lazy British journalists and ever since then we have invented a "genre" around that zenophobic insult, but its still a lazy generalisation.
Aha.
Well, my answer is that krautrock still exist.
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