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Earendil 
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 Posted: May 07 2013 at 01:44 |
 The Dark Elf wrote:
Having read the bible thoroughly, and the New Testament in particular, I don't recall Jesus stating anything of the sort, nor of homosexuality at all. But please, keep paraphrasing and misquoting scripture, as it is more amusing out of context.
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JesusisLord wrote:
Mmmm, a Bible lesson fro "THE DARK ELF"...... Oh, c'mon, that evens sounds silly... |
Right, your comment is not the silly one here...
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AlexDOM
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Posted: May 06 2013 at 22:28 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
JesusisLord wrote:
Homosexual is described in the Bible as an Abomination. Period. Christ died for the abominations of mankind, seeks to save the homosexual, as well as any other sinner, but it remains a wickedness that requires repentance. |
Having read the bible thoroughly, and the New Testament in particular, I don't recall Jesus stating anything of the sort, nor of homosexuality at all. But please, keep paraphrasing and misquoting scripture, as it is more amusing out of context.
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Mark 7:21-22 Mark 10:6-8 (this passage is found very similarily in the other Gospels too) Yes Jesus is addressing divorce here, but He only legitimizes marriage between man and woman whom He created. Sorry to be the debby downer here, but in a homosexual marriage relationship the two cannot literally become one flesh. (I have a very high view of marriage and sexuality in that context altogether) God made man parts and lady parts for a reason. It's natural.
But all sexual immorality is sin period. Every little lustful thought action (yeah the big M) and infidelity, fornication. It all separates us including myself from Christ. Only through Him can I be redeemed and cleansed and turn away from it all. Still growing and still do and will struggle, that is reality.
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JesusisLord
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Posted: May 06 2013 at 21:04 |
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Mmmm, a Bible lesson fro "THE DARK ELF"...... Oh, c'mon, that evens sounds silly...
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And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Phillipians 2:11
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: May 06 2013 at 20:44 |
JesusisLord wrote:
Homosexual is described in the Bible as an Abomination. Period. Christ died for the abominations of mankind, seeks to save the homosexual, as well as any other sinner, but it remains a wickedness that requires repentance. |
Having read the bible thoroughly, and the New Testament in particular, I don't recall Jesus stating anything of the sort, nor of homosexuality at all. But please, keep paraphrasing and misquoting scripture, as it is more amusing out of context.
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AlexDOM
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Posted: May 06 2013 at 20:43 |
JesusisLord wrote:
One Peer claims the State has no business be involved, another claims that IT IS "the state's business".....The right thing would be put it to a vote. Let the people decide (Government Of the people, FOR the people and BY the people) Problem is, that Government doesn't really exist anymore. For Example, In Hawaii the issue of "Gay" Marriage made it to the ballot, nearly 80% of the voters voted against it ( Beyond a landslide ) How did the state respond ? By appointing "Special Interest" judges to "investigate" the "Constittutional Ramifications of the issue". Well, they got it back on the ballot. What happened this time ? The people said absolutely No ! How did they respond? Take a guess. Fact is,due to Political Correctness and the spirit of this age, which is quickly moving away from GOD, Christ and the Bible, in preparation of the coming of the Anti-Christ, "Gay" Marriaige will soon be legal. But, when that is, That will be the least of Societies concerns, cuz things are gonna get real unstable in this world. Oh, and to the dr wu23 guy, that takes some pretty big arrogance to call the Greatest Book that Has ever been written, Religious Mumbo Jumbo".... You must to some guy... |
You are my hero, thanks for the encouragement:) What a blessing!!!
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: May 06 2013 at 20:41 |
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I usually believe everything I read in novels, too.
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JesusisLord
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Posted: May 06 2013 at 20:34 |
One Peer claims the State has no business be involved, another claims that IT IS "the state's business".....The right thing would be put it to a vote. Let the people decide (Government Of the people, FOR the people and BY the people) Problem is, that Government doesn't really exist anymore. For Example, In Hawaii the issue of "Gay" Marriage made it to the ballot, nearly 80% of the voters voted against it ( Beyond a landslide ) How did the state respond ? By appointing "Special Interest" judges to "investigate" the "Constittutional Ramifications of the issue". Well, they got it back on the ballot. What happened this time ? The people said absolutely No ! How did they respond? Take a guess. Fact is,due to Political Correctness and the spirit of this age, which is quickly moving away from GOD, Christ and the Bible, in preparation of the coming of the Anti-Christ, "Gay" Marriaige will soon be legal. But, when that is, That will be the least of Societies concerns, cuz things are gonna get real unstable in this world. Oh, and to the dr wu23 guy, that takes some pretty big arrogance to call the Greatest Book that Has ever been written, Religious Mumbo Jumbo".... You must to some guy...
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And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Phillipians 2:11
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dr wu23
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Posted: May 06 2013 at 20:01 |
JesusisLord wrote:
Homosexual is described in the Bible as an Abomination. Period. Christ died for the abominations of mankind, seeks to save the homosexual, as well as any other sinner, but it remains a wickedness that requires repentance. |
Uh...that's fine if one believes in all the religious mumbo jumbo, but then I thought we were supposed to leave all that personal belief junk out of the state's busniess.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 06 2013 at 19:19 |
Dean wrote:
I've been in a same sex marriage for the past 30 years - I'm still the same man I was, the wife's still the same woman I married, therefore the sex is still the same sex.
I'm not complaining.  |
 I'm thinking all the judges (I'm not going to call them justices as too many of them are divorced from justice) should be required to gay marriage if they are against marriage equality.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Dean
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Posted: May 06 2013 at 18:55 |
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Proverbs 10:12
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AlexDOM
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Posted: May 06 2013 at 17:51 |
JesusisLord wrote:
Homosexual is described in the Bible as an Abomination. Period. Christ died for the abominations of mankind, seeks to save the homosexual, as well as any other sinner, but it remains a wickedness that requires repentance. |
Hey my brother in Christ want to join with me in the bigot club. Already been grafted in from this forum. All I can say is 1 Peter 4!!!
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Chris S
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Posted: May 06 2013 at 00:41 |
^  and all we can hope is we have faith that mankind's psyche will evolve to be more accepting
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JesusisLord
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Posted: May 06 2013 at 00:27 |
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Homosexual is described in the Bible as an Abomination. Period. Christ died for the abominations of mankind, seeks to save the homosexual, as well as any other sinner, but it remains a wickedness that requires repentance.
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And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Phillipians 2:11
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AlexDOM
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Posted: April 12 2013 at 16:47 |
Dean wrote:
I've been in a same sex marriage for the past 30 years - I'm still the same man I was, the wife's still the same woman I married, therefore the sex is still the same sex.
I'm not complaining. |
Ha ha ha. That's witty:)
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Dean
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Posted: April 12 2013 at 12:44 |
I've been in a same sex marriage for the past 30 years - I'm still the same man I was, the wife's still the same woman I married, therefore the sex is still the same sex.
I'm not complaining. |
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HemispheresOfXanadu
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Posted: April 12 2013 at 12:40 |
What's there to consider besides Ye Booke of Outdated Morals and How Properly to Jump at Shadowes?  Sorry. I try not to attack religion, but when inequality is involved, I find it hard not to bring it up.  |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: April 12 2013 at 02:36 |
Man whenever guys are allowed to marry in this state I am going to Rush out and divorce my wife and marry a dude. 
Edited by Slartibartfast - April 12 2013 at 02:37
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Posted: April 11 2013 at 22:32 |
dtguitarfan wrote:
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
dtguitarfan wrote:
Gay affirming Christian here, and proud of it! It is NOT unbiblical, regardless of what the false prophets say! 
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Off topic, but,
Geoff! Where have you been, man?
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Well, I had a baby - number 3. And I caught a bug - I started reading some things, and that made me want to read more things, and that made me want to read more things, and now I have a list of about 300 books I want to read eventually. And I've been blogging - about politics, philosophy, and theology. Notice how I didn't say religion? Heh heh...somehow through it all I've begun to explore a mystery: Jesus didn't want to start a new religion, he wanted disciples.... Oh, I know, your first instinct is going to be to declare me a heretic, but resist that because you don't know what I believe yet.
Yeah, so basically, my mind is racing a million miles a minute and I'm reading and researching furiously, and I think I might end up teaching a class (my pastor told me he wants me to), and somehow I can't find it within myself to want to write about music any more, haha! I still listen to a lot of it, and I think all this has enhanced the way I do...but somehow switching gears from the things I've been thinking about to music just isn't working for me these days.
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Well, welcome back, for the time you do decide to spend on here. It's good to have your perspective on some of these issues. Makes me think (and I like to think) And no, I don't think you're a heretic. What did you end up deciding to name the baby, by the way? I remember you asking for suggestions here on PA, I probably gave you some psuedo-witty tongue in cheek response
Edited by Ambient Hurricanes - April 11 2013 at 22:33
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I love dogs, I've always loved dogs
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: April 11 2013 at 05:37 |
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
dtguitarfan wrote:
Gay affirming Christian here, and proud of it! It is NOT unbiblical, regardless of what the false prophets say!
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Off topic, but,
Geoff! Where have you been, man?
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Well, I had a baby - number 3. And I caught a bug - I started reading some things, and that made me want to read more things, and that made me want to read more things, and now I have a list of about 300 books I want to read eventually. And I've been blogging - about politics, philosophy, and theology. Notice how I didn't say religion? Heh heh...somehow through it all I've begun to explore a mystery: Jesus didn't want to start a new religion, he wanted disciples.... Oh, I know, your first instinct is going to be to declare me a heretic, but resist that because you don't know what I believe yet. Yeah, so basically, my mind is racing a million miles a minute and I'm reading and researching furiously, and I think I might end up teaching a class (my pastor told me he wants me to), and somehow I can't find it within myself to want to write about music any more, haha! I still listen to a lot of it, and I think all this has enhanced the way I do...but somehow switching gears from the things I've been thinking about to music just isn't working for me these days.
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Posted: April 10 2013 at 22:50 |
rogerthat wrote:
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
I don't think the way he expressed his opinions was offensive at all; I think it was the opinions themselves that were offensive to some, and in general, I think it's usually better not to voice offense in that case (although I'm not by any means perfect on that point either).
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Yeah, sure, I guess you could very politely say that Hitler was the true inspiration for Nelson Mandela (and in a twisted way, such dictators probably inspired the fightback) and would you really expect no ripostes at all, no sharp disagreements, no sarcastic digs at such an opinion? What if there were gays in the conversation? Do they have no right to be offended at homosexuality being equated with bestiality just because Alex took shelter under religious beliefs? A homosexual per se is being cruel to no one, he is only being true to his nature.
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I never said they didn't have the right to be offended; I said that they shouldn't express that offense in the form of ridicule. I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I can try to understand your position; if I was a practicing homosexual, would the equation of my homosexual behavior with bestiality be offensive to me? Probably yes. At the same time, I see it from Alex's point of view also.
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