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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Red has its flaws, as most KC albums do. CTTE knows no flaws.


"one might even argue that not until Larks' Tongues In Aspic did Fripp find the stable formula for the band that would finally set it in a definite and unique niche of its own"

As far as consistent sound, yes I agree; the Bruford/Wetton era was the first to have more than one album with a core line-up. But even the best KC albums always have something where I could say, "If it wasn't for _____, this album would be a perfect masterpiece." "The Power To Believe" might be their only album that I would call it a masterpiece, and flawless, now that I think about it.


Such a brave comment and/or statement. I just want people to double think their judgements


I agree with  you wholeheartedly. KC never did an album which outshone all the other ones - every disc of the Crimsonian corpus seems to contain the different pieces of their greatness, but you need more than one to fully grasp it.
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Red has its flaws, as most KC albums do. CTTE knows no flaws.


"one might even argue that not until Larks' Tongues In Aspic did Fripp find the stable formula for the band that would finally set it in a definite and unique niche of its own"

As far as consistent sound, yes I agree; the Bruford/Wetton era was the first to have more than one album with a core line-up. But even the best KC albums always have something where I could say, "If it wasn't for _____, this album would be a perfect masterpiece." "The Power To Believe" might be their only album that I would call it a masterpiece, and flawless, now that I think about it.


Such a brave comment and/or statement. I just want people to double think their judgements
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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Red has its flaws, as most KC albums do. CTTE knows no flaws.


"one might even argue that not until Larks' Tongues In Aspic did Fripp find the stable formula for the band that would finally set it in a definite and unique niche of its own"

As far as consistent sound, yes I agree; the Bruford/Wetton era was the first to have more than one album with a core line-up. But even the best KC albums always have something where I could say, "If it wasn't for _____, this album would be a perfect masterpiece." "The Power To Believe" might be their only album that I would call it a masterpiece, and flawless, now that I think about it.
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Red by a wide margin.
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Originally posted by Anthony Anthony wrote:

When I hear Close to the edge - I get up
When I hear Red - I get down

Exactly, and I like to get up more.Cool
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CTTE is note perfect but to me it almost completely lacks any human warmth, melancholy, pain or anger, emotions that the Red album brings out well.  CTTE is also a bit too pretty and conservative in its approach for me to rate it over Red (not that I dislike it, it's a great album too).  
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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ This is just an opinion of one stupid-ass Russian who gave King Crimson 2 points out of 5 for the emotional resonance ... Faust 1 out of 5 for the resonance as well. I got some things to hang on that motherf$%ker.

CTTE is done in a very creative, crazy, free fashion. Red, on the other hand, is more focused on songwriting, not as ambitious, and it's got that brand new kind of slick production. One of the Crims' best efforts due to a greater focus on the melody.

That said, it's a tie, as far as "which album is the best of these two" goes.

Calm down, many people have their opinion and you don't seem to respect it, there cannot be a double standard
I'm calm ... kind of. I just find that guy to be really biased in his judgments, and that can tick me off a little. I respect opinions, not the people. Wink ... people who trample other people's opinions. I remember that guy going hard on Nick Drake's Pink Moon to some unnecessary levels.

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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ This is just an opinion of one stupid-ass Russian who gave King Crimson 2 points out of 5 for the emotional resonance ... Faust 1 out of 5 for the resonance as well. I got some things to hang on that motherf$%ker.

CTTE is done in a very creative, crazy, free fashion. Red, on the other hand, is more focused on songwriting, not as ambitious, and it's got that brand new kind of slick production. One of the Crims' best efforts due to a greater focus on the melody.

That said, it's a tie, as far as "which album is the best of these two" goes.


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^ I figured. Big smile
Originally posted by Anthony Anthony wrote:

You should become a politician in Russia, so you can send everyone who does not agree with you to Siberia. (I heard they've got some good Khatrus over there.)
I'm not sure if we still do that. Big smile

Originally posted by Anthony Anthony wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ This is just an opinion of one stupid-ass Russian who gave King Crimson 2 points out of 5 for the emotional resonance ... Faust 1 out of 5 for the resonance as well. I got some things to hang on that motherf$%ker.
Just like you calling someone a stupid-ass and a MF is just your opinion and not a fact.
Why, of course.


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Points: 16952 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2012 at 18:28
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

... about ... ?

My post seems strange seeing you posted just as i did. My post was referring to Prog2112 statement pertaining to KC.


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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ This is just an opinion of one stupid-ass Russian who gave King Crimson 2 points out of 5 for the emotional resonance ... Faust 1 out of 5 for the resonance as well. I got some things to hang on that motherf$%ker.

Just like you calling someone a stupid-ass and a MF is just your opinion and not a fact. You should become a politician in Russia, so you can send everyone who does not agree with you to Siberia. (I heard they've got some good Khatrus over there.)
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I would disagree. 
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^ This is just an opinion of one stupid-ass Russian who gave King Crimson 2 points out of 5 for the emotional resonance ... Faust 1 out of 5 for the resonance as well. I got some things to hang on that motherf$%ker.

CTTE is done in a very creative, crazy, free fashion. Red, on the other hand, is more focused on songwriting, not as ambitious, and it's got that brand new kind of slick production. One of the Crims' best efforts due to a greater focus on the melody.

That said, it's a tie, as far as "which album is the best of these two" goes.


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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Red has its flaws, as most KC albums do. CTTE knows no flaws.


"one might even argue that not until Larks' Tongues In Aspic did Fripp find the stable formula for the band that would finally set it in a definite and unique niche of its own"
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Red has its flaws, as most KC albums do. CTTE knows no flaws.
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Red, if only because it contains "Starless."
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Close to the Edge. Not the best album of all time, but excellent
 
Red ain't to my taste at all.
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Never thought I'd heard that in a lifetime Oo Actually never thought anyone could love this track (or The Mincer, for example, which kinda has imo the same status as Providence on a different album, that of a half-failed experimentation (to my ears) )
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