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Joined: September 13 2013
Location: Canada
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Posted: September 14 2013 at 08:09
I grew up in Oshawa Ontario, about a half hour drive from where Rush were just putting it all together. I turned 15 in 1970 and was already infatuated with my older sisters record collection. The title track of ITCOTCK and "Epitaph" drew me into the prog direction at an early age but I still had a love for hard rock that rode along with it for many years. I saw Rush on the 2112 tour and was blown away at how much and how fast they had grown from a hard rock bar band to a valid contender on the world prog scene. Some radio stations out of Toronto were into playing the longer songs in there entirety, even Iron Butterfly's psychedelic 17 minute "Inna Gadda Da Vida" was fair game for a while there. And the cover art, I miss that. There was no feeling like taking the plastic off a double album and exploring the creative artwork. I now have a couple of "coffee table" books the size of an album cover that feature a lot of the greats. The curve creativity took from about the mid 60's to the late 70's was astounding. As the electric guitar, and the effects it spawned and the synthesizer were coming into their own as instruments in modern music the sounds coming out of the radio were amazing. And they were bewildering to my parents generation, it all happened too fast for them but us kids didn't know the pace things were at before this era, we just listened and soaked it up.
Joined: January 04 2007
Location: Grok City
Status: Online
Points: 17510
Posted: July 21 2013 at 10:41
Gerinski wrote:
$7.00 an hour in 1976 looks like a fortune from my old Spanish eyes, good for you!
The restaurant I was at, was busy ... and at lunch, the ticket window would go to about 50 tickets within 5 to 10 minutes, and it was fast and busy ... so much so that more than half the cooks that applied there, quit the first day ... they couldn't handle it. For that we got paid, because they could not afford to be on the training mode. Everything home made, and over 100 omelettes ... oh ... for the record, when I backed up the chef, it was ... are you ready? 50 gallons of Split Pea soup, 50 gallons of Chili con Carne, 50 Gallons of Brown Gravy, 30 Gallons of the Soup of the day ... so you can get the idea of the quantities, and they went through half of that in one day!
Now you know why I like my music heavy, long, and ... only the best!
Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
Joined: March 29 2013
Location: WA
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Points: 4596
Posted: July 20 2013 at 23:02
My 1st job in 1976 was Christmas season at a toy store paying $2.05/hr. The law may be different now, but back then they didn't have to pay me minimum wage cause I was only working about 20 hrs/wk. Of course single albums at Tower records were $5 so I was happy to trade 3 hrs of work for a new copy of Starless and Bible Black
Joined: February 01 2011
Location: Michigan
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Points: 13056
Posted: July 20 2013 at 20:02
Dean wrote:
What the various minumum wages are now isn't really the point I was making... to me $7.00/hr seemed like quite a lot of money for 1976 considering that is it roughly what the minimum wage is now and I was trying to get a perspective on that... I'm going to take a guess and say the average US wage in 1976 was probably not much over $9,000, which would be about $4.30/hr... for a teen/young adult it would be considerably less
I think my first job at age 16 in 1976 paid $2.50 an hour. Of course, cigarettes were only 50 cents a pack and gas cost about the same or less per gallon. I remember there was a gas war between 2 competing gas stations, each selling a gallon for 25 cents.
Beer was cheap also. And drugs. I enjoyed myself immensely.
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Joined: May 13 2007
Location: Europe
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Points: 37575
Posted: July 20 2013 at 19:44
What the various minumum wages are now isn't really the point I was making... to me $7.00/hr seemed like quite a lot of money for 1976 considering that is it roughly what the minimum wage is now and I was trying to get a perspective on that... I'm going to take a guess and say the average US wage in 1976 was probably not much over $9,000, which would be about $4.30/hr... for a teen/young adult it would be considerably less
Federal min wage is something like that but many States have higher min wages I believe. Some cities I think even have their own, like San Fran's is over $10 an hour.My first job paid me 3.10 an hour as I recall.
Well , i don't really Know about the other Guys !! but i'm only giving my Opinion about this //
things were too difficult back then , and Albums were highly appreciated upon release , specially if we knew the Band . what was Unique in that Era was , we've had our Time to Discover the Beauty of those Albums , i mean a song at a time , we never knew that the Floyds , the Crimsons , VDGG , Jethro Tull will still active till now-a-days !! Anyway , things were properly done , with Peace of Mind , the Competition was only heading to the Best . I Believe none of our Fathers knew about Progressive to recommend anything for Us , we've done it the Hard Ways !! all the Eldest on this Site knows what i mean ! and , Definitely we have now the Best Source and Reliable Archive in the World concerning Progressive Rock Music from all categories , kinds and Styles , and , i believe it was done because of you Guys , our new Generation , that we depend a lot on your activities for the next decades ! I Salute you all from Lebanon , and , i believe , one way or another , we did our share in this //
Joined: February 10 2010
Location: Barcelona Spain
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Points: 5154
Posted: July 20 2013 at 15:19
Dean wrote:
On the upside, albums weren't $15-$20 each (even on import) so any comparison is meaningless.
In my native Spain in the 70's LPs were in the range of 4 ~ 7 euro, something like 5 ~ 9 US$ (of course euro didn't exist yet). Imports maybe 25% more expensive.
Joined: February 03 2007
Location: The Heartland
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Posted: July 20 2013 at 15:03
Federal min wage is something like that but many States have higher min wages I believe. Some cities I think even have their own, like San Fran's is over $10 an hour.
Joined: January 04 2007
Location: Grok City
Status: Online
Points: 17510
Posted: July 20 2013 at 14:14
Dean wrote:
tamijo wrote:
Not to mention that the price of an album was very high campared to the wages of especialy younger people.
Making a collection of just 100 albums, was almost impossible for young people, most of had 30-50 albums to chose between.
The price was almost the same as today, but the wages was very low.
Absolutely. The price of music has remained pretty much constant since the late 80s. I remember not buying Tales From Topographic Oceans when it was released simply because I could not afford it. Wages were such that if I behaved myself and was very careful with my budget I could just about manage to buy an album every two weeks. Of course that makes the 300+ albums I did buy between 1971 and 1980 all the more special.
Let's see ... at Moby Disk, anything I bought would be between $15 and $20 bux each ... so the new Klaus Schulze, or Peter hammill, or Banco ... you already know it was going to cost a few doodles. Heck, I was working as a cook only making $6.50 an hour in 1975 and got a raise to $7 for 1976 ... so do the math! It DID make it easier when my roomate did bring home a few records from the station, but almost all the "imports" were picked up in Los Angeles in various spots ... and the prices were not cheap then!
Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
Joined: February 23 2008
Location: Lebanon
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Points: 934
Posted: July 20 2013 at 08:12
Well , i don't really Know about the other Guys !! but i'm only giving my Opinion about this //
things were too difficult back then , and Albums were highly appreciated upon release , specially if we knew the Band . what was Unique in that Era was , we've had our Time to Discover the Beauty of those Albums , i mean a song at a time , we never knew that the Floyds , the Crimsons , VDGG , Jethro Tull will still active till now-a-days !! Anyway , things were properly done , with Peace of Mind , the Competition was only heading to the Best . I Believe none of our Fathers knew about Progressive to recommend anything for Us , we've done it the Hard Ways !! all the Eldest on this Site knows what i mean ! and , Definitely we have now the Best Source and Reliable Archive in the World concerning Progressive Rock Music from all categories , kinds and Styles , and , i believe it was done because of you Guys , our new Generation , that we depend a lot on your activities for the next decades ! I Salute you all from Lebanon , and , i believe , one way or another , we did our share in this //
Joined: September 20 2010
Location: Serbia
Status: Offline
Points: 10213
Posted: July 20 2013 at 00:01
In Tito's Yugoslavia it wasn't expensive to buy LPs which were pressed here under the licence; a lot of 70s rock albums were issued in Yugosalvia under licence, so progressive rock albums too ( of course, it was available to order LPs directly from GB). Also, so many times the records shops in Yugoslavia sold out LPs at half price that I bought at very low prices such masterpieces as Genesis Live, Yes' Tales, RTF's Where Have I Know You From Before,Wigwam's Nuclear Nightclub, Dead's From The Mars Hotel, Steve Hillage's L and so on.
Also, an equipment made in Yugoslavia: turntable Tosca (RIZ Zagreb) was low price but good quality and with Ei Niš reciever and speakers, you get a nice sound.
It was my first equipment, when I was 13 yrs old. One of the reasons why I Tito's self-managment socialism
Joined: March 29 2013
Location: WA
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Points: 4596
Posted: July 19 2013 at 23:27
progbethyname wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Gerinski wrote:
And for the musicians themselves, maintaining a Mellotron in smooth working order required more dedication that a sick pet puppy, often a dedicated guy for the big bands which could afford it.
When King Crimson played San Francisco in '74 they had to limp through with only one of the two trons working. <span style="line-height: 1.2;">An aside...a friend was at the show and also on the bill was 10 Years After. While Crimso was on this girl behind him kept asking her boyfriend, "Is that Alvin Lee?" </span>
Anyway, remember how often your cassette or 8 track tape would get stuck in the rollers and spit out in a creased and folded mess? Multiply that by 35 more tapes and you have the nightmare that was the Mellotron...'course when it worked it was as if angels had descended to earth
I imagine it would be pretty hard to fix a busted tron. I wouldn't know where to begin.
I have a great book called "The Mellotron Book" that covers the entire history and details of how they work (or don't work as the case may be ) and how to repair them. I'm pretty sure it's now out of print, but I'd be surprised if the info isn't available on the net somewhere. Basically, the way to fix a busted tron is tear it apart and rebuild from the ground up. Here's a fun video on the restoration of a seriously abused early 70's M400 mellotron...warning: this is not for the feint of heart
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