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Posted: July 08 2011 at 13:50
himtroy wrote:
I'm glad somebody finally acknowledged how commercial metal is. People say that it isn't because of it's "heavy" nature, but really it's poppy still. It usually has an incredibly formula oriented structure, vocals throughout except during the "guitar solo." It is easily my least respected prog for the fact that it's rarely progressive.
I agree, with some exceptions, those being the big names like Dream Theater, Opeth, Riverside, Liquid Tension Experiment, Planet X, and maybe Symphony X. They are; or at least were progressive.
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Posted: July 08 2011 at 13:46
I'm glad somebody finally acknowledged how commercial metal is. People say that it isn't because of it's "heavy" nature, but really it's poppy still. It usually has an incredibly formula oriented structure, vocals throughout except during the "guitar solo." It is easily my least respected prog for the fact that it's rarely progressive.
Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell?
I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance.
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Posted: July 08 2011 at 13:43
Slartibartfast wrote:
For me younger prog fans are too much into metal.
AND prog metal is one of the more commercial prog subgenres...
i would agree to some point, as young prog lover who is more into experimental stuff and krautrock (Can, Magma, King Crimson, early Pink Floyd are my favs)
But there is also quite a cult following all those Post Rock bands which doesn't seem so commercial to me
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Posted: July 08 2011 at 13:25
Nothing wrong with liking commercial music anyway. Besides the fact that some consider Yes, Genesis, Jethro Tull, and Pink Floyd commercial (maybe to a degree), I am proud to say I am a fan of James Brown, Steely Dan, Foo Fighters, Eric Clapton, The Beatles, Jay-Z, Eminem, B.I.G., Stevie Wonder, and many more I can't think of right now.
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Posted: July 08 2011 at 13:19
I certainly don't have too commercial tastes.....in fact the only reason I came in here was because I just had my music referred to as noise (live Henry Cow) and saw this and thought "hey I'm kinda a new prog fan." I've been into it for five years or so but I mean I'm only 19, so compared to some of those here........
Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell?
I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance.
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Posted: July 08 2011 at 13:07
undercover_man wrote:
Not exactly true, Yes or ELP were more successful than VdGG or Gentle Giant thanks to Roundabout, resp.Lucky Man, but still VdGG and Gentle Giant or Crimson with very little commercial potencial were quite successful.
For sure more succesful than Gargamel or Areknames, in terms of style VdGG of modern era.
GG and VDGG were not very successful. Both of them pretty much broke up for financial reasons. I had never heard of those bands, but that is because they are from Norway and Italy, and America has never cared about foreign bands outside of the UK. Sorry, that is just the way it is. If you want to compare success you should compare them to someone on a real record label in the US/UK like VDGG and GG. Also, Gargamel should not have named themselves after the wizard in the Smurfs, especially when there's already a relatively successful (and fairly bad) metal band with that name. And Areknames is hard to spell. Making yourself impossible to Google will hinder your success.
undercover_man wrote:
You should care a little bit, if you want to hear in next years something else than progmetal + neoprog + crossoverprog.
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Posted: July 08 2011 at 12:45
undercover_man wrote:
You should care a little bit, if you want to hear in next years something else than progmetal + neoprog + crossoverprog.
The past decade has been very, very good for avant-prog (especially the Japanese scene), jazz fusion, symphonic prog, zeuhl... if you're not picking up on this, you're being willfully blind for the sake of making a point that simply isn't there.
If you're simply looking at trying to find the modern successor to VDGG, you need to stop living in the past and accept the modern musical landscape for what it is, for its advantages and its pitfalls. (Heck, even VDGG isn't much of anything post-reunion.)
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Posted: July 08 2011 at 12:39
The cathiness and accessibility is probably the key attribute to be succesful in new, young prog circles.
The same thing was true for the new, young prog circles in the 1970s.
Not exactly true, Yes or ELP were more successful than VdGG or Gentle Giant thanks to Roundabout, resp.Lucky Man, but still VdGG and Gentle Giant or Crimson with very little commercial potencial were quite successful.
For sure more succesful than Gargamel or Areknames, in terms of style VdGG of modern era.
And that’s what I regret most : these bands are living on the fringe of average progfans’ interest.
Nobody cares. [/QUOTE]
You should care a little bit, if you want to hear in next years something else than progmetal + neoprog + crossoverprog.
Was telling somebody that I was a prog fan the other day, and they said, I kid you not, "oh, you mean like TesseracT and Andromeda?"
*facepalm*
Yes, because that's what all prog sounds like. (Nothing against those bands, but they're not what immediately comes to mind when I think of "prog". Kids...
If someone I knew or thought was a fan of metal told be they were a prog fan, I would assume they were talking about Progressive Metal.
Also, this topic is so dumb. Basically just because you are almost COMPLETELY talking out of your arse. The poll of 1000 is no were near representative, and the bands that won are not particularly artistically lacking (well, that's all opinion). Oh yeah, not to mention that this is a POLL - it's not really a good measure of WHAT prog fans listen to, it's just a measure of which albums were liked the most. What I'm saying is, that really, a lot of people who voted in that poll may have liked albums you are more accepting of. There might of just not been enough crossover in the different styles of prog fans for them to come out first.
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Posted: July 08 2011 at 12:34
Henry Plainview wrote:
Yes, because that's what all prog sounds like. (Nothing against those bands, but they're not what immediately comes to mind when I think of "prog". Kids...
At least he didn't say Dream Theater...
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I would much prefer that. At least DT have 'some' respect in the overall prog commmunity
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Posted: July 08 2011 at 12:32
Polo wrote:
I enjoyed Gran Torino a lot more than I should have, it really wasn't a very good movie.
Padraic wrote:
madmike wrote:
Kids...
with their newfangled mp3ers and gigabytes and such...
Back in my day you listened to music on a 78 RPM and we were happy to get up every 3 minutes to change sides. It's good exercise, but now everyone is so lazy!
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