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Because girls have cooties??? LOL
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

The problem with most of the guys that started this thread is that they probably don't even know one single woman... 
 
despite of your acid comment... you are right... they sound like those little boys at 6 or 8 years old that don't like women at all... grow up pals, life is way more entertaining and interesting with women around... I repeat what interesting is there to talk about sports, religion, politics and music? women don't do that... they know that talking is a complete waste of time... that's why I love them...
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To be fair, I don't even know why I was attracted to prog.

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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

The problem with most of the guys that started this thread is that they probably don't even know one single woman... 


LOL So true.
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

Did anyone notice that this site is crawling with nerds? Maybe it has more appeal to nerds than other types of music (which is does) - and a lower percentage of the women are nerds than men, so there.

OMG, can we spray for nerds or something??? Tongue
 
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The problem with most of the guys that started this thread is that they probably don't even know one single woman... 

Edited by The T - April 23 2010 at 11:20
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Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

Did anyone notice that this site is crawling with nerds? Maybe it has more appeal to nerds than other types of music (which is does) - and a lower percentage of the women are nerds than men, so there.

OMG, can we spray for nerds or something??? Tongue
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Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:


Prog is aimed at men; that's why; look at Brain Salad Surgery, for instance.



I happen to think this album is an unlistenable blow of hot air.
Does that mean I'm a lady? Confused

My two cents:
No emotion + no substance + crap lyrics + technical bragging ==> No Ladies

Luckily 90% of Prog is much more then that, so go out all of you and convince more people of that !
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I'm sorry but after reading to some of the posts on this thread I have but to agree that stupidity is the main ingredient necessary to be nerdy, socially-isolated, misogynist prog-rock fan.... 

Yes, right, women don't like VDGG so they're stupid. Well Mr Wiseguy, women are kicking men's asses in symphonic orchestras' enrollment all around the world. Maybe they prefer BETTER music? Oh go ahead and believe that little prog rock is the ultimate test for intelligence.... 

Stonebeard cited valuable reasons. Women may me socialized to like more commercial music, they're raised that way. But that's completely different to saying that they just can't like non-commercial music because that's not one of their talents. 

And if we judge talent based on the first posts of this thread, damn we have the mental intelligence of a 10 year old kid... 
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Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Prog is aimed at men; that's why; look at Brain Salad Surgery, for instance.

Look- classic rock era- most music by men. Prog comes from classic rock. Prog most by men - prog music manish- men like prog women don't

flawless logic?
Flawless, no.
 
Some women like prog. Some men don't.


Yes, but generally

Its a social thing, not a music thing. Women could like Prog, but the social pressure is to not like it, or rather to like some other thing.

How can women get together with their friends and talk about the Delicate Sound of Thunder like I can with people I know? From when I was a boy I could discuss PF with other men. Could a girl do the same, except by going across the boundaries of gender norms?

(What a weird sounding bunch o' lines)
 
That's not an accurate thought man... Women don't talk about music as men do... they talk in a more sensitive way and they even don't care to talk about music... they talk about more important things to them... Generally, as you say, women find politics, sports and music boring to talk about... and they are right, actually... is not that they don't like it, but is boring for them to "talk" about it... tell me, what interesting can be talk about a great solo... you know, no matter what you thought about it, the solo exists wether you like it or not... so... maybe for us is completely boring watching a chickflick but actually they like it because there you see more emotions and less thoughts...
 
Men are boring... I do feel sorry for the girls that actually have to fall in love with us... they are more interesting than us... that's for sure...
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by HTCF HTCF wrote:

 
Case in point:  every female teacher I've ever had (and most non-teaching women I've met) says "tempature," which isn't a word.  They also say things like i-urn (instead of iron).
People don't pronounce things the same way you do!? CLEARLY THEY ARE RETARDED!
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Everyone knows that women have terrible taste in music. Diana Krall? Avril Lavigne? Tori Amos? Lily Allen? The list goes on and on. Honestly, you could say the same thing about almost any genre of music that is considered good. I don't have data on thisother than my own experience,
This is incredibly stupid. Carla Kihlstedt? Okkyung Lee? Satoko Fujii? Sylvie Courviousier? Ikue Mori? Marnie Stern? P-we? Carla Bley? Laurie Anderson? Evelyn Glennie? Susie Ibarra? Dagmar Krause? Leslie Flannigan? That annoying woman from Thinking Plague? That's just off the top of my head, and except for the last two they're all semi-famous in their respective fields. I'm sure I could find more if I looked.

Maybe Transatlantic can only drawn the aging men, but the concerts at The Stone that I went to and the Evan Parker and Peter Brotzmann gigs had fairly mixed audiences. And a lot of them were much older than you would expect.
Quote but I would bet that few women listen to Jazz or Classical music compared to men. On the other hand, I bet fewer women listen to Rap as well, so they score a point there.
This is completely wrong! You're making wild assumptions based on nothing! Look at how many women there are here! If we're going to base things off stereotypes, I would say that women are more likely than men to like classical music because it is relaxing and men want RAGE AGGRESSION.

I know it's a meme, and I know it's said every time we do this, but THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!
 
Totally agree with Henry... I didn't think you were actually talking seriously about this... but man... any woman can actually do the same about some Male "composers" or musicians... you know... Tori Amos is better than most of males in composition... I mean, you can like her or not, but she is very talented and her understanding of music is very superior and I don't think you can actually make songs better than hers... and I tell you, I can't and I am a dedicated musician...
 
Now, to the topic... I think the real reason is that women are more sensitive than men, and I don't mean that they only appreciate love songs, but they understand music not in metric and time signatures but in feeling and emotions... My bandmates are girls and to every single riff or phrase that I show to them they interpret emotions more than what cool figure I'm doing but most of the time they are right about what I feel or felt when I compose those phrases. And that's cool because or songs makes a lot more of sense, which I don't have, I'm too cold to have that perception...
 
Of course there are less women than man in this site... but there are very good at it... Raff is a key example...
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Prog is aimed at men; that's why; look at Brain Salad Surgery, for instance.

Look- classic rock era- most music by men. Prog comes from classic rock. Prog most by men - prog music manish- men like prog women don't

flawless logic?
Flawless, no.
 
Some women like prog. Some men don't.


Yes, but generally

Its a social thing, not a music thing. Women could like Prog, but the social pressure is to not like it, or rather to like some other thing.

How can women get together with their friends and talk about the Delicate Sound of Thunder like I can with people I know? From when I was a boy I could discuss PF with other men. Could a girl do the same, except by going across the boundaries of gender norms?

(What a weird sounding bunch o' lines)


Edited by RoyFairbank - April 23 2010 at 10:34
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Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Prog is aimed at men; that's why; look at Brain Salad Surgery, for instance.

Look- classic rock era- most music by men. Prog comes from classic rock. Prog most by men - prog music manish- men like prog women don't

flawless logic?
Flawless, no.
 
Some women like prog. Some men don't.
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Prog is aimed at men; that's why; look at Brain Salad Surgery, for instance.

Look- classic rock era- most music by men. Prog comes from classic rock. Prog most by men - prog music manish- men like prog women don't

flawless logic?
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Did anyone notice that this site is crawling with nerds? Maybe it has more appeal to nerds than other types of music (which is does) - and a lower percentage of the women are nerds than men, so there.
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Originally posted by TheGazzardian TheGazzardian wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:


However, I firmly believe men and woman are fundamentally different on a psychological level, and that this is an important aspect of God's design on human relationships.  There are anomalies, of course, but I think this is how it is in general.


I quite agree with you. It is in vogue to think of humans as blank slates that have personality imposed on them by their environment. Everything in my experience contradicts this view. I don't know why the notion that men and women are fundamentally different is so offensive to some people. No one is saying one is better than the other, just different.

I think of all the analytical thinking, personal experiences, and "information from the source Tongue" we've got in this thread, nothing has made as much sense as what Epignosis and thellama73 are saying.
 
 
Agreed.  And some could argue that what is actually demeaning to women is not an occasional boorish joke or comment, but rather taking the view that women must be "protected" from the speech or thoughts of others.  That they can't handle a conversation such as this, and so we must perpetuate the belief that this kind of conversation has a "victim", women, and we must sterilize their surroundings.  Is that respect?  I'm not sure. 
 
I'm happy to say most of the women I know would laugh at the notion that a thread like this is a threat to them personally, or as a gender.   
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All this conservative opinions have me shocked or dissgustedDead.
The answer is easy: Guys are freakier than girls, and i say it in the bad sense.
But dont wanna generalize more
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Because it's a guy thing? Tongue

You know, you can make generalizations about people in general, but they remain generalizations in the end.


People in my demographic never generalize.
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Because it's a guy thing? Tongue

You know, you can make generalizations about people in general, but they remain generalizations in the end.
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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:


However, I firmly believe men and woman are fundamentally different on a psychological level, and that this is an important aspect of God's design on human relationships.  There are anomalies, of course, but I think this is how it is in general.


I quite agree with you. It is in vogue to think of humans as blank slates that have personality imposed on them by their environment. Everything in my experience contradicts this view. I don't know why the notion that men and women are fundamentally different is so offensive to some people. No one is saying one is better than the other, just different.

I think of all the analytical thinking, personal experiences, and "information from the source Tongue" we've got in this thread, nothing has made as much sense as what Epignosis and thellama73 are saying.
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