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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2010 at 14:57
Ok, that's not what I thought you meant. Thanks for clearing up my confusion.  Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2010 at 14:47
I didn't think of xenophobia. It's just that I don't like people who benefit from a deal and then don't want to honour their own part of the deal. I would like to hear that politicians [who dislikes the number of Eastern European coming in] opposing to the free and uninhibited distribution of Western products and services on the Eastern market [an underdeveloped market with a lot of potential clients but with uncompetitive local industry], too.Otherwise, it's unfair.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2010 at 14:39
Well, what does your message mean? I don't follow your meaning... but it seems to suggest some xenophobia. I might be completely wrong though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2010 at 14:35
^ Same for me
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2010 at 14:29
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

I guess you Brit guys don't like guests Geek
 
I'm not sure I understand this message... but I don't like the implication.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2010 at 14:19
I guess you Brit guys don't like guests Geek
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2010 at 14:10
Originally posted by seventhsojourn seventhsojourn wrote:

^ Yes, he should have stood by what he said rather than apologise.


But that would have been political suicide for Labour. Whilst some of us would have preferred to see a politician stand by their words (especially if they are totally justified, as in this case), many more would happily buy into the faux-outrage the media were instantly whipping up the second the story broke. Damage limitation was Labour's only option. I just hope this silly mistake doesn't dominate tomorrow's debate.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2010 at 13:58
^ Yes, he should have stood by what he said rather than apologise.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2010 at 13:52
 "all these Eastern Europeans what are coming in, where are they flocking from?" Ermm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2010 at 13:38
So he misunderstood her, and he didn't mean what he said. Aye, right! Which is it to be? He misunderstood, and that's why he responded the way he did. Or, he understood, but didn't mean what he said. Can't be both. I would have had more respect for him if he admitted that he regretted what he said because of the furore that this has caused. 
 
He seems to be joined at the hip with his wife... then the first time she's not there he screws up.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2010 at 13:35
FoolLOL Worth at least 4% in the polls to the other parties.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2010 at 12:55
^^^ Pure gold. Just saw that on the news. That turkey is well and truly stuffed.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2010 at 07:53

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2010 at 23:30
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

What is needed in the UK is DAMAGE CONTROL. I think the Queen should take over. Look, here in Canada William Shatner ( Captain Kirk ) is the favourite for the next post as Governor General.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2010 at 10:19
What is needed in the UK is DAMAGE CONTROL. I think the Queen should take over. Look, here in Canada William Shatner ( Captain Kirk ) is the favourite for the next post as Governor General.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2010 at 09:02
This is very interesting: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/apr/18/clegg-media-elite-murdoch-lib-dem

Originally posted by Lizzy Lizzy wrote:

We only started to think in terms of left and right only in the past few years


I don't agree with that. The public space was much more ideologically vibrant in the 90s, when the society was very divided by traumatic experiences of government (and lack of it), of heritage, etc. It was necessary for one to define him/herself ideologically. Are you with the Right, the historical parties, the monarchy, the right to own private property, the free society etc. and again dictatorship, or are with the (ex)communists, the old regime, the "social silence" way of thinking, the etatist government, etc? Now it's all down to much more practical policies... and I think it's better that way. The old kind of debates were just smoke curtains made to divert people for caring about actual, practical reform.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2010 at 05:22
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Yes, there is a Green Party candidate standing in my constituency but under FPTP a vote for him would sadly be utterly wasted.


This is an argument I've had with myself many times - do you vote for a candidate/party just to keep the other candidate/party out even though you may not necessarily agree with the policies, or do you vote for a candidate/party where you do agree with the policies but have to acknowledge they have no chance of being elected?
 


Exactly. This is why FPTP is such a blinkin' useless system. A vote for Lib Dems could actually be quite significant in the long-term, as a hung parliament could lead us towards serious electoral reform. If we switched to a system where everyone's vote was equal then at last the public could vote on policies alone and tactical voting would be a thing of the past.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2010 at 02:21
Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Yes, there is a Green Party candidate standing in my constituency but under FPTP a vote for him would sadly be utterly wasted.


This is an argument I've had with myself many times - do you vote for a candidate/party just to keep the other candidate/party out even though you may not necessarily agree with the policies, or do you vote for a candidate/party where you do agree with the policies but have to acknowledge they have no chance of being elected?

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I've always been of the opinion that you should vote for the local candidate who would be best suited to represent your views and will do the best for your local constituency in that big house up there in that there London place. More often that not that will mean voting for the candidate that also just happens to be a member of the party you prefer, but not always.


Although Barbara Follett was involved in the expenses shenanigans last year, I have to grudgingly admit she's not done too bad a job so far as Stevenage is concerned; having said that, she has now stepped down in favour of a newbie, Sharon Taylor... so (to return to my previous post) do I vote for Labour as they've done as well as could be expected since 1997, or LibDem as I think they'd form a better coalition with the Cons???

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2010 at 16:58
Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

No not trolling but I guess British Politicians have become the laughing stock of politics of late. Yes I understand you should/have to vote for a party but you/we get what we vote for. I think it is very sad that the electoral system leaves you with so little choice. I personally do not think any of these leaders will make any difference. I am British but I would be very hard pushed or motivated to vote for any of these guys. Don't you have a Green party?
 
The " Bigger Picture"..........High Finance i.e Blair's/Labour's foray into Iraq for example. Was it oil or was it a terrorist they were after?


Thank you for clarifying that, though now you seem to be implying anyone who votes for any of the three main parties in this election is somehow oblivious to the questionable nature of the Iraq war; an implication which I vehemently disagree with. The Lib Dems consistently opposed the war before, during and after the invasion, so their record is clean on that issue. A vote for the Lib Dems does not show ANY ignorance of "the bigger picture", as you put it.

Re: Green party. Yes, there is a Green Party candidate standing in my constituency but under FPTP a vote for him would sadly be utterly wasted. Here's the stats on my constituency. A vote for the Greens would be completely ineffectual in this area.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2010 at 15:03
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

I'm seriously contemplating a vote for the lib dems this time round. Our constituency is a real Tory stronghold, but it looks like the Lib Dems could have a real chance if enough people switch allegiance - Labour have no chance but Clegg's mob could just squeeze through (any other residents of Bishops Stortford thinking similarly?)


I'm in Wales now, but I did see Bishops Stortford win the Amateur Cup in 1974 (last ever of that competition) - I used to live in Harlow, so it was quite close. ClapClapClapClap

I would ALWAYS encourage tactical voting to keep the Tories out. My constituency is a three way marginal between Labour (present incumbant), Tories, and Plaid. As a member of Plaid I will be voting for them, but there are a lot of areas where tactical voting is the only option.

Best thing about this election is that we might, at last, get PR as a result of the Clegg/LibDem love ion - so that EVERY vote will count, no matter where you live. There is a huge progressive majority in the UK, and never again should the Tory regressives hold power with an iron grip with a minority of the votes (and I include New Labour in that).
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