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seventhsojourn
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Posted: April 28 2010 at 14:57 | |
Ok, that's not what I thought you meant. Thanks for clearing up my confusion.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: April 28 2010 at 14:47 | |
I didn't think of xenophobia. It's just that I don't like people who benefit from a deal and then don't want to honour their own part of the deal. I would like to hear that politicians [who dislikes the number of Eastern European coming in] opposing to the free and uninhibited distribution of Western products and services on the Eastern market [an underdeveloped market with a lot of potential clients but with uncompetitive local industry], too.Otherwise, it's unfair.
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seventhsojourn
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Posted: April 28 2010 at 14:39 | |
Well, what does your message mean? I don't follow your meaning... but it seems to suggest some xenophobia. I might be completely wrong though.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: April 28 2010 at 14:35 | |
^ Same for me
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seventhsojourn
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Posted: April 28 2010 at 14:29 | |
I'm not sure I understand this message... but I don't like the implication.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: April 28 2010 at 14:19 | |
I guess you Brit guys don't like guests
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The Hemulen
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Posted: April 28 2010 at 14:10 | |
But that would have been political suicide for Labour. Whilst some of us would have preferred to see a politician stand by their words (especially if they are totally justified, as in this case), many more would happily buy into the faux-outrage the media were instantly whipping up the second the story broke. Damage limitation was Labour's only option. I just hope this silly mistake doesn't dominate tomorrow's debate. |
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seventhsojourn
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Posted: April 28 2010 at 13:58 | |
^ Yes, he should have stood by what he said rather than apologise.
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The Hemulen
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Posted: April 28 2010 at 13:52 | |
"all these Eastern Europeans what are coming in, where are they flocking from?"
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seventhsojourn
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Posted: April 28 2010 at 13:38 | |
So he misunderstood her, and he didn't mean what he said. Aye, right! Which is it to be? He misunderstood, and that's why he responded the way he did. Or, he understood, but didn't mean what he said. Can't be both. I would have had more respect for him if he admitted that he regretted what he said because of the furore that this has caused.
He seems to be joined at the hip with his wife... then the first time she's not there he screws up.
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lazland
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Posted: April 28 2010 at 13:35 | |
Fool Worth at least 4% in the polls to the other parties.
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Blacksword
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Posted: April 28 2010 at 12:55 | |
^^^ Pure gold. Just saw that on the news. That turkey is well and truly stuffed.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Jim Garten
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Posted: April 28 2010 at 07:53 | |
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
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Chris S
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Posted: April 27 2010 at 23:30 | |
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: April 27 2010 at 10:19 | |
What is needed in the UK is DAMAGE CONTROL. I think the Queen should take over. Look, here in Canada William Shatner ( Captain Kirk ) is the favourite for the next post as Governor General.
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harmonium.ro
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
Posted: April 27 2010 at 09:02 | |
This is very interesting: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/apr/18/clegg-media-elite-murdoch-lib-dem
I don't agree with that. The public space was much more ideologically vibrant in the 90s, when the society was very divided by traumatic experiences of government (and lack of it), of heritage, etc. It was necessary for one to define him/herself ideologically. Are you with the Right, the historical parties, the monarchy, the right to own private property, the free society etc. and again dictatorship, or are with the (ex)communists, the old regime, the "social silence" way of thinking, the etatist government, etc? Now it's all down to much more practical policies... and I think it's better that way. The old kind of debates were just smoke curtains made to divert people for caring about actual, practical reform. |
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The Hemulen
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Posted: April 27 2010 at 05:22 | |
Exactly. This is why FPTP is such a blinkin' useless system. A vote for Lib Dems could actually be quite significant in the long-term, as a hung parliament could lead us towards serious electoral reform. If we switched to a system where everyone's vote was equal then at last the public could vote on policies alone and tactical voting would be a thing of the past. |
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Jim Garten
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Posted: April 27 2010 at 02:21 | |
This is an argument I've had with myself many times - do you vote for a candidate/party just to keep the other candidate/party out even though you may not necessarily agree with the policies, or do you vote for a candidate/party where you do agree with the policies but have to acknowledge they have no chance of being elected?
Although Barbara Follett was involved in the expenses shenanigans last year, I have to grudgingly admit she's not done too bad a job so far as Stevenage is concerned; having said that, she has now stepped down in favour of a newbie, Sharon Taylor... so (to return to my previous post) do I vote for Labour as they've done as well as could be expected since 1997, or LibDem as I think they'd form a better coalition with the Cons??? |
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
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The Hemulen
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Posted: April 26 2010 at 16:58 | |
Thank you for clarifying that, though now you seem to be implying anyone who votes for any of the three main parties in this election is somehow oblivious to the questionable nature of the Iraq war; an implication which I vehemently disagree with. The Lib Dems consistently opposed the war before, during and after the invasion, so their record is clean on that issue. A vote for the Lib Dems does not show ANY ignorance of "the bigger picture", as you put it. Re: Green party. Yes, there is a Green Party candidate standing in my constituency but under FPTP a vote for him would sadly be utterly wasted. Here's the stats on my constituency. A vote for the Greens would be completely ineffectual in this area. |
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lazland
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Posted: April 26 2010 at 15:03 | |
I'm in Wales now, but I did see Bishops Stortford win the Amateur Cup in 1974 (last ever of that competition) - I used to live in Harlow, so it was quite close. I would ALWAYS encourage tactical voting to keep the Tories out. My constituency is a three way marginal between Labour (present incumbant), Tories, and Plaid. As a member of Plaid I will be voting for them, but there are a lot of areas where tactical voting is the only option. Best thing about this election is that we might, at last, get PR as a result of the Clegg/LibDem love ion - so that EVERY vote will count, no matter where you live. There is a huge progressive majority in the UK, and never again should the Tory regressives hold power with an iron grip with a minority of the votes (and I include New Labour in that). |
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