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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2010 at 10:07
Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

CD 's have been superceded by downloaded MP3's and are now obsolete - they were never intended to be audiophile quality, despite the claims, they were just another marketing ploy.
 
Vinyl is enjoying a resurgence as many find the quality of the sound vastly superior to digital technology, but steer well clear of those USB turntables, they are rubbish - a good quality vinyl system of used gear  could be easily put together  for around 400 GBP, and the results will astound you.  check out this site...
 
 
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  Ha Ha Ha. There's a saying or old adage " he who laughs last, laughs the loudest". CDs had just gained momentum after I had came out of the air force during which time I had little time for my album collection. I held steadfast and refused to start buying CDs or a CD player until 1998 or 99. Poeple laughed at me . Family members shunned me. I was cut out of the family will. The dogs and cats wouldn't even aknowledge my presence. It was a lonely place and time.

Just kiddingBig smile But people thought I was nuts holding on to my 5,000 or so albums as well as two turntables that I have held on to, one from 1980 and the other one an old Dual that could even be from the sixties. There's a local specialist store where I have them serviced and updated and my music sounds just as good as it did back in 1975!

I knew CDs wouldn't last. People just wouldn't listen. And now with all this new crap the recording arts are in jeopardy. Music is crap today. I was just out for a few beers with and old friend from high school the other day and he reflected that music died when Led Zep disbanded. A bit of a generalization but I tend to take his point figuratively. Technology has killed the arts. I'm glad that I still have my jewels from trhe seventies to cherish. I've even met people in second hand stores who are trying to buy their own vinyl back!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2010 at 03:42
WHATEVER.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2010 at 13:03
^ I also have some vinyls that IMO sound better than the CD versions ... but I think that's mostly due to a different mix. Vinyl is inferior to CD as far as the technical specifications go, so the difference can, objectively, only be in the mix or the mastering decisions.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2010 at 08:28
Originally posted by d.o.k d.o.k wrote:


I'm quite shocked that some of you are recommending these cheap vinyl/usb stuff. Come on it's just crap !
 
Sounds good to me. Project make some good turntables.
 
Originally posted by d.o.k d.o.k wrote:

At such prices no one can expect to have the full vinyl quality.
 
"Full" vinyl quality?
 
It sounds pretty close to me Smile
 
Originally posted by d.o.k d.o.k wrote:

Just one thought : does anyone has already checked if these new turntables were at least playing both sound channels at the volume ?
 
Yup - just checked. AOK.
 
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To experience the real superiority of vinyl over you have to have quite an expensive stereo system.
 
It is a myth to say you only get what you pay for.
 
A 2nd hand Marshall JCM 800 costing £500 sounds a hundred times better than a brand new boutique amp costing 10x that amount.
 
A 4th press Rubber Soul sounds as good as the first press, yet you can get one for £20 instead of £200.
 
HiFi buffs are always keen to say that their expensive kit is the only kit worth listening to - but in my experience, that simply isn't true.
 
Originally posted by d.o.k d.o.k wrote:

 If you do not, enjoy cds! They're now cheap (how many wonderfull classics for 5 or 7 €/$ on the internet?), easy to store, quality is constant over time, and sound quality is of course excellent.
 
Have to agree to disagree - I don't like the sound of CDs, which is why I prefer vinyl... Wink
 
 
Originally posted by d.o.k d.o.k wrote:


Do I have to mention that by now, nobody has been able to prove that those dvd audio and SACD were providing better sound quality than cd ?
 
Um... I don't think anybody needs to try to prove it - both formats store more data and are therefore more accurate than CD. Fact.
 
IF better sound quality = more accurate reproduction, THEN DVD > SACD > CD > vinyl.
 
 
But even on my cheap steam-powered system, vinyl sounds better - and my wife agrees. Big smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2010 at 03:47
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Do I have to mention that by now, nobody has been able to prove that those dvd audio and SACD were providing better sound quality than cd ?


hmm...
Concerning audio DVDs: For the sampling frequency matter, noone can prove that 192kHz brings better results than 44.1, but the 24-bit depth brings a higher signal-to-noise ratio.
Still, you must have a very accurate and noiseless (and expensive) system in order to appreciate the difference.
SACD is based on 1-bit coding, said to be much more accurate than PCM used on CD. Of course, a high-end system is also needed here to make full use of this format...

I would say DVDs and SACDs are definitely not "the next format" as predicted by Sony and Philipps around 10 years ago... CD is the last physical format.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 14:40
Pragmatism : stick with cds. It's quite incredible in our commercial world, but if you take care of your cds, the will never wear.
I'm quite shocked that some of you are recommending these cheap vinyl/usb stuff. Come on it's just crap ! At such prices no one can expect to have the full vinyl quality. (Just one thought : does anyone has already checked if these new turntables were at least playing both sound channels at the volume ?)

To experience the real superiority of vinyl over you have to have quite an expensive stereo system. If you do not, enjoy cds! They're now cheap (how many wonderfull classics for 5 or 7 €/$ on the internet?), easy to store, quality is constant over time, and sound quality is of course excellent.

Do I have to mention that by now, nobody has been able to prove that those dvd audio and SACD were providing better sound quality than cd ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 14:10

Check my signature picture, right one ;-) Guess:

1)Which album it is (beware, it's tricky one)

2)What format it is (for sure cassette)

3)How long do I have it

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2010 at 13:47
CD 's have been superceded by downloaded MP3's and are now obsolete - they were never intended to be audiophile quality, despite the claims, they were just another marketing ploy.
 
Vinyl is enjoying a resurgence as many find the quality of the sound vastly superior to digital technology, but steer well clear of those USB turntables, they are rubbish - a good quality vinyl system of used gear  could be easily put together  for around 400 GBP, and the results will astound you.  check out this site...
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2010 at 14:53
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Get this for your pets!



My pets would have that thing torn to shreads in no time!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2010 at 18:49
It's infinitely better on vinyl. The only time that CDs are ever superior to vinyl in any sense is when they're remastered and/or remixed from the vinyl version. Still, if the remixed and restored versions were pressed on vinyl, it'd be awesome! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2010 at 12:26
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

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I still have my two turntables from the seventies ( a Dual and a Micro Seiki ) and I still use them almost every day. I think my dogs even use them when I'm not home. They prefer vinyl and they were both born when CDs were in vogue ! 


Your dogs, playing your records when you're not around?  I'd be keeping a closer eye on them when you're not around. LOL
Well that's difficult because when I'm not around I'm usually not there to keep an eye on them. But I've got them trained to be very careful with their nails when removing them from the sleeve when I'm at home and actually  supervising them so when I'm not there it doesn't worry me them playing the albums. I mean, it's better than them destroying the house while I'm not there. It's a chance I take.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2010 at 12:17
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I still have my two turntables from the seventies ( a Dual and a Micro Seiki ) and I still use them almost every day. I think my dogs even use them when I'm not home. They prefer vinyl and they were both born when CDs were in vogue ! 


Your dogs, playing your records when you're not around?  I'd be keeping a closer eye on them when you're not around. LOL
Well that's difficult because when I'm not around I'm usually not there to keep an eye on them. But I've got them trained to be very careful with their nails when removing them from the sleeve when I'm at home and actually  supervising them so when I'm not there it doesn't worry me them playing the albums. I mean, it's better than them destroying the house while I'm not there. It's a chance I take.
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Is that a picture of Tesla?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2010 at 09:48
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I still have my two turntables from the seventies ( a Dual and a Micro Seiki ) and I still use them almost every day. I think my dogs even use them when I'm not home. They prefer vinyl and they were both born when CDs were in vogue ! 


Your dogs, playing your records when you're not around?  I'd be keeping a closer eye on them when you're not around. LOL


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I still have my two turntables from the seventies ( a Dual and a Micro Seiki ) and I still use them almost every day. I think my dogs even use them when I'm not home. They prefer vinyl and they were both born when CDs were in vogue ! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2010 at 04:36
I'm an official member of Vinylholics Conspicuous...
 
For a first turntable, I'd recommend the Project Debut III USB - it's a proper turntable, but at a price that is extremely reasonable for what it is and does.
 
Purists wouldn't like it, as it has a built-in preamp - but this is a strength if the rest of your system is halfway modern, and lacks a phono input!
 
The other enormous strength is the USB bit - you plug it straight into your PC and create your own mp3s so you can listen to your vinyls on the go.
 
The biggest disadvantage with vinyl is storage. The other is tracking down particularly rare recordings - it's much easier to find CDs, and easier still to find mp3s of really hard to come by stuff.
 
The advantages are;
 
1) Sounds much better than any other music format except reel-to-reel. No arguments please. Big smile
2) Nice, BIG artwork.
3) It's still possible to buy a piece of vinyl in a second-hand shop and discover it's worth 100x what you paid for it - although I agree, with the Internet, people have wised up, and it's much harder than it used to be - but still, collecting vinyl can fund itself, in theory.
 
In practice, I find I tend to hang on to the really precious slabs...
 
 
When you first play a well-mastered Led Zep II on your turntable (and there are loads of different masterings out there, so beware!), you suddenly realise what heavy rock music is supposed to sound like - and Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" does the same thing for Prog.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2010 at 17:48
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I love everything about vinyl. Taking them out of the sleeve with loving care. Looking at them when you first get them trying to figure out what they will sound like from the thickness of the grooves.Placing them on the turntable. Cueing the stylus. Watching it go around. Holding the cover while you listen to them. Reading the booklet. Best one I have is Jethro tull's hard cover 1972 Living In The Past album which opens into a 20 page book! Searching for that elusive album by that obscure group in record shops, flea markets, junk sales ( although this is a thing of the past with the age of the internet  Angry)  There is a mystique about vinyl. Vinyl albums are more personal I find.

One method I use to rmove gunk from the grooves is toothpaste although I'm sure that a lot of guys would advise against it but it has worked for me. A long haired freak who owned a record store showed me this one  years ago.

Well, no doubt, vinyl is groovy. Tongue

I have a copy of that Living In The Past, too.  The vinyl was screwed up but the rest is primo.  Survived the flood. Big smile

They make really expensive vinyl cleaning machines by they way.  Anyone have any experience with them and opinions/recommendations?
 
A friend of mine sells records for a lving on ebay and he invested in one of those vinyl cleaning machines. You appy a few drop of liquid, brush it in and allow it to rotate while is sucks all the rubbish out the grooves. I bought a copy of Living In the Past off ebay and the seller had really overatted the condition as it looked filthy. I put it on my mates machine and it came up looking almost new and played much better. Of course it wont work miracles and get rid of scratches.
 
I think they're around 3 -4 hundred quid for a pro one though so unless you're really serious about vinyl probably not worth the money.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2010 at 10:13
I wasn't making it up, the vinyl did go a little flat.  Maybe by not more than a 1/32" on the bottom edge but it was noticeable.  I haven't checked out my top of the shelf records yet.  I'll report back in when I get a moment to inspect them. The storage location at the house was fairly even in temperature.  The storage unit where I have my top shelf LPs is conditioned.  But if the bottom edge flattened a little, who knows about the whole disc?  When my top boss attempts playback, I will also report back....


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