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Logan 
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 Posted: March 21 2009 at 14:54 |
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I voted for Kansas, incidentally, as it's worst for me (though it must be said that I don't have Atlas' album or Echolyn's -- don't like what I've heard of Echolyn). Leftoverture is not a poor album, but it's not really my taste (nor is Kansas generally).
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 14:49 |
 birdwithteeth11 wrote:
I also wonder why ELP doesn't have a single album in the top 20. I know a lot of people here don't like them, but they are pretty representative of symphonic prog.
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There's your answer in bold since the top twenty is a popularity list based on ratings, and not a representative list (incidentally, a representative list for each category has been suggested as an additional list a number of times).
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 14:49 |
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
I also wonder why ELP doesn't have a single album in the top 20. I know a lot of people here don't like them, but they are pretty representative of symphonic prog.
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As I mentioned earlier, I think I took care of that. 
Seriously though, I think there's a good reason:
In my opinion, ELP was always lacking in consistency on their albums. The debut is the highest rated (but my least favorite from the 1970s). Tarkus has a generally loathed Side 2. Trilogy is hit or miss for a lot of people, and Brain Salad Surgery (while generally strong, turns some people off for various reasons).
I could be wrong, but just an observation.
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 14:34 |
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I also wonder why ELP doesn't have a single album in the top 20. I know a lot of people here don't like them, but they are pretty representative of symphonic prog.
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 14:32 |
Peter wrote:
 Should I do a similar one for prog metal? |
If you want to, go ahead. No one's stopping you. The 3 genres of prog metal on this site all have albums in their respective top 20s that I don't think belong. I'd go on more, but Pablo pretty much said what I was going to say. If this thread bothers you, you don't have to look at it.
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VonLughlio
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 14:28 |
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Raff i agree with you, i would replace the album you suggested. I think that is not that bad, but there are other albums to consider. have a lot of options, but cant seem to make a choice. You suggested ELP debut right? if so would you recommed another to the list?
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 13:38 |
cacho wrote:
Peter wrote:
Well, because we who like it a lot are not you. (Different strokes for different folks -- surely you understand that people vary widely in personality, history and tastes.) |
Peter, you're going quite to a extreme here, read the question well:
"Which of these do you like least?"
Drew wrote:
My vote goes to Nursery Cryme- I gave it two or three listens and I just don't understand why it's so regarded. |
He's just saying that he doesn't understand why it's so regarded, that's pure opinion. If he had said, it's a sh*tty album or the album sucks, or something of the like, I understand, but he didn't say that.
I sometimes don't understand why Rush is so regarded as a great Prog band, but not saying it's bad, nor they are not Prog, or whatever. I simply don't understand.
Peter wrote:
One person's not liking a given popular album does not make that album bad, or 'worst," of course. |
He didn't say it was a bad album nor worse.....and again, the question doesn't ask any of that....
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Cacho, Drew, guys, my point is that all you have to understand is that different people like different things. I don't like black metal, but because I understand that a given fan is different from me in taste, history (and maybe age and culture), i can understand that he genuinely finds it pleasurable, and why he might do so.
I cannot relate to it, or derive any pleasure from it, but I can understand that some people like S&M, disco, or that my daughter likes Justin Timberlake's album, for example -- Timberlake's music appeals to her type of person (which is not my type). (Well, she liked it at fourteen -- nowadays, at 15, she's raiding my collection a lot. Floyd is a current favourite!  )
Cacho, the post question itself is fine, I agree. it is the thread title, and what it implies, which I object to.
I have to go now guys -- no offense please, and thanks for responding, discussing and sharing. 
TTYL!
Edited by Peter - March 21 2009 at 20:09
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 13:37 |
micky wrote:
^ maybe Vic is a convert to the church of Micky hahhah
not that CttE is a 'worst' album... it is not a top 20 SYMPHONIC album... like I said.. the title track is not more than a perfectly executed 18 minute long pop (in structure) song.
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it really is. there's the intro/guitar solo - verse - chorus - verse - chorus - bridge - keyboard solo - verse - chorus - end....
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 13:13 |
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Si On Avait Besoin D'une Cinquieme Saison (Harmonium) for me, very boring! Followed by The Snow Goose (Camel), way too long.
Edited by 33rpm - March 21 2009 at 13:15
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Vinyl just sounds better!!
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 12:27 |
Since Camel is racing away on its long limbs from the rest of the pack  , I thought I will open Anglagard's account instead. Cert1fied summed it up nicely, King Bore indeed! No offence meant, I just don't like this album at all. And I agree with manofmystery, though not necessarily about Genesis , the list is full of overrated albums - Trick, the Camel albums  , aforementioned Hybris, Scheherazade, Leftoverture, it goes on. And while Depois Do Fim is a good album, again I am not sure exactly what catapults it into the top 20.
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 12:14 |
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Nursery Crime, never got into it ....at all.
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 12:12 |
Peter wrote:
Well, because we who like it a lot are not you. (Different strokes for different folks -- surely you understand that people vary widely in personality, history and tastes.) |
Peter, you're going quite to a extreme here, read the question well: "Which of these do you like least?"
Drew wrote:
My vote goes to Nursery Cryme- I gave it two or three listens and I just don't understand why it's so regarded. |
He's just saying that he doesn't understand why it's so regarded, that's pure opinion. If he had said, it's a sh*tty album or the album sucks, or something of the like, I understand, but he didn't say that. I sometimes don't understand why Rush is so regarded as a great Prog band, but not saying it's bad, nor they are not Prog, or whatever. I simply don't understand.
Peter wrote:
One person's not liking a given popular album does not make that album bad, or 'worst," of course. |
He didn't say it was a bad album nor worse.....and again, the question doesn't ask any of that....
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 12:10 |
Well, that's obvious. 
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 12:06 |
Drew wrote:
My vote goes to Nursery Cryme- I gave it two or three listens and I just don't understand why it's so regarded. |
Well, because we who like it a lot are not you. (Different strokes for different folks -- surely you understand that people vary widely in personality, history and tastes.)
One person's not liking a given popular album does not make that album bad, or 'worst," of course.
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 12:00 |
Very clever poll...
Haven't heard BACAMARTE and ATLAS yet...from the rest I would remove The ''Yes album'' (I have already voted it for 3.5 stars) for not being as quite as strong as the rest of their top albums and instead I would put KAIPA's ''Inget nytt under solen''....Excellent work!
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 11:56 |
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My vote goes to Nursery Cryme- I gave it two or three listens and I just don't understand why it's so regarded.
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 11:54 |
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I've just never liked Relayer all that much. Gave it several listens but overall, it just doesn't have what it takes.
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 11:31 |
Epignosis wrote:
Sorry Peter. There's bad prog rock out there, and all of us have different opinions on what that is.
Had I made a "best of" poll with the same entries, it would turn into a SEbtP vs CttE poll...and who wants another one of those?
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As you acknowledge, the notion of 'bad' is subjective. To me, prog metal is 'bad,' but that's purely subjective as well. many love it, and more power to 'em.
My main problem here is with your use of 'worst' (as opposed to something like "least liked"), which would seem to imply that we were choosing from a list of 'bad" albums.
My other major issue is that the Top 20 list is one of the site's features, put there by those who design and run the site, to serve others in their quest for well-liked prog. It seems an odd thing for PA's own reviewers and collabs (site "representatives,' remember) to 'attack' in this fashion.
BTW, I bear you no ill will for it -- it just seems like a mistake, to me, or something which we should not focus on in this manner.
I hope you can see my point of view. 
For the record, though I haven't heard all of those albums, I do know 16 of them, and I don't regard ANY of those as even "bad" -- let alone 'worst." 
Edited by Peter - March 21 2009 at 11:34
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 11:29 |
Peter wrote:
Should I do a similar one for prog metal? |
Please do.
...Anyway, Leftoverture & Depois Do Fim are not my bag. Voted the former.
Didn't enjoy any of the Echolyn streams, so I never bothered
investigating any further (they're in serious need of a new
albumcoverdesigner).
I consider the 17 other albums atleast ok/good, and many of them wonderful.
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 11:27 |
Alex and David are starting to sound like fanboys...
hurrah!
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