In the Defense of Criticism Towards Metal |
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mithrandir
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Posted: March 02 2009 at 19:48 |
I've been listening to Metal for well over 20 years, it doesn't help me feel young and rebellious and non-conformist, in fact I feel very crotchety these days and pretty set in my old fashioned ways...
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Windhawk
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Posted: March 02 2009 at 19:05 |
As far as musicianship goes, you may actually be correct. Many of the musicians in acts like that use/used to spend their spare time playing in rock and jazz outfits - in many cases of the experimental variety.
Don't know if that is the case for the band I linked to there though. |
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Trademark
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 21 2006 Location: oHIo Status: Offline Points: 1009 |
Posted: March 02 2009 at 18:52 |
^^ catchy tune. the level of musicianship in that band probably exceeds the majority of the bands here. Check out that high tech drum kit.
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Windhawk
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Posted: March 02 2009 at 18:47 |
Oh well, better kill off all instances of artists like The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Dire Straits, Michael Jackson, Al DiMeola, Elvis, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Chick Corea, Miles Davis, Bruce Springsteen ++++ from our record collections then. All of these artists marketed towards a young, adolescent audience in their heyday, all of them signed to cater for a young adolescent audience. In fact, disregarding country, jazz, classical and gospel music I've only seen one brand of artists planned and heavily marketed towards a mature audience; heavily promoted towards the age group 40+ in my part of the woods for all time I can remember (and bought by the target group as well). So if marketing target group is a measure of mental adulthood; you should also subscribe to THIS as the ultimate in music for the mature mind. |
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Dean
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Posted: March 02 2009 at 17:55 |
Album Oriented Rock is the American definition - in the UK it was (pre-Wiki) known as Adult Oriented Rock
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Trademark
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 21 2006 Location: oHIo Status: Offline Points: 1009 |
Posted: March 02 2009 at 17:52 |
"Rock Oriented towards Adults"
ROA is AOR spelled backwards. What are you trying to say?
Edited by Trademark - March 02 2009 at 17:53 |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: March 02 2009 at 17:48 |
To illustrate that picking one narrow aspect of a more "adult" music, namely AOR, is the same futility as picking one narrow yet generalised opinion of Metal. Metal is no more the only possible alternative to AOR than AOR is the only possible alternative to Metal - but a genre by its very name is Rock Oriented towards Adults is the obvious opposite of your opinion of Metal.
(and AOR just happens to be the only genre of Rock I don't like at all in any way shape or form)
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angelmk
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 22 2006 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1955 |
Posted: March 02 2009 at 17:46 |
man thank you for this night, i will never forget,truly. I love you. you made me laugh whole night, i'am the happiest person in the world. Praise you. and continous and again
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Trademark
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 21 2006 Location: oHIo Status: Offline Points: 1009 |
Posted: March 02 2009 at 17:40 |
"Man u never give up, i've never seen such a stuborn one ." "I'AM ALL EARS tell me" Not a chance. Typical youthful rebellion, trying to get someone else to do your work for you while you sit back and listen to metal.
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angelmk
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Posted: March 02 2009 at 17:34 |
Man u never give up, i've never seen such a stuborn one . you think many peolple listens to metal ,becouse is fashionable, rebelious touch, so guess what, WRONG ANSWER , It is art , and devine one. not just intended for teens, i will ask againg which is this music ''by and for adults.'' I'AM ALL EARS tell me ,
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micky
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Posted: March 02 2009 at 17:34 |
but never uninteresting....
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Trademark
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 21 2006 Location: oHIo Status: Offline Points: 1009 |
Posted: March 02 2009 at 17:33 |
"AO-flippin'-R? No thanks; Livin' In The Past?"
So am I to understand that metal is the only possible alternative to these? I know you don't believe that so it why ask?
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Tony R
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Posted: March 02 2009 at 17:32 |
Yes, it gets boring doesnt it... |
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micky
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Posted: March 02 2009 at 17:30 |
hahahhaha.. oOOOOHH OOOOHH OOOOHHH |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Trademark
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 21 2006 Location: oHIo Status: Offline Points: 1009 |
Posted: March 02 2009 at 17:30 |
Hands up anyone who doesn't know Tony's position on my position.
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Trademark
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 21 2006 Location: oHIo Status: Offline Points: 1009 |
Posted: March 02 2009 at 17:25 |
"and I don't think that somehow, at a certain age you're required to not be rebellious/adventurous anymore and instead become docile and tame - or even arrogant and narrow-minded."
You may not have meant it this way, but I have to ask, how does listening to metal demonstrate rebelliousness or adventurousness. I would have to say it does the exact opposite. It's like the Hot Topic crowd all running around in the exact same get ups saying "Look how non- conformist I am. Look how non- conformist I am. Look how non- conformist I am. Look how non- conformist I am. Look how non- conformist I am." It would be far more darting and adventurous to find exciting music made by and for adults.
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Tony R
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Posted: March 02 2009 at 17:25 |
Hands up anyone who doesnt know Trademark's opinion of metal. Apparently David Attenborough came across a lost Amazonian tribe last week who were quite perturbed about his stance. Now where's that "flogging a dead horse" emoticon when we need it? |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: March 02 2009 at 17:21 |
I think it would be fair to say that all Popular music is aimed squarely at the adolescent demographic. Even our beloved Prog was targeted at teenagers back in the day - certainly people even just a few years older than me never listened to Yes, Floyd or Van der Graaf - they preferred Cream or The Beatles - the target audience for these bands was incredibly narrow - we're talking +/- 3 years max. And so it is with every generation and every "trend" - the PR guys sign bands that will fit their most lucrative markets - Roadrunner knows who pays their wages, and they are smart enough to sweep-up a broad cross-section of popular bands to ensure they get a good proportion of that market - exactly as Charisma and Virgin did on the 70s (and 80s - notice how quickly Virgin jumped "ship" and chased after the next generation of teenagers).
That does not make it a pandemic when a few people who are interested in music rather than a trendy-fashion chose to listen to music from outside their generation.
I gave up trying to recapture my youth years ago, when I couldn't be bothered getting my "natural" hair-colour from a bottle anymore and when walking down stairs became almost as tiring as walking up - I like being a adult, but I also enjoy childish things like fart gags and giving people wedgies - big deal - it does not affect the kind of music I like to hear - yes I still have the natural curiosity of a teenager - I still want to learn new things, experience new things, hear new music - and if that music is Bal Sagoth's "The Dark Liege of Chaos is Unleashed at the Ensorcelled Shrine of A'Zura Kai (The Splendour of a Thousand Swords Gleaming Beneath the Blazon of the Hyperborean Empire Part II)", Diamanda Galas singing "Insane Asylum" or the theme tune to "Postman Pat" then I really don't care who it was originally targetted at, why it was written or what anyone else thinks - it does not make me someone who never grew out of "it" or someone who decided not to let go of that part of their earlier life - I'm just someone who doesn't have all the answers yet and has never given up asking questions - and if still liking juvenile music is a side effect of that, then whoopie - I'm not dead yet.
Talking of asking questions, here's one: What does that leave us wrinklies with? AO-flippin'-R? No thanks; Livin' In The Past? Not me.
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Trademark
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 21 2006 Location: oHIo Status: Offline Points: 1009 |
Posted: March 02 2009 at 17:11 |
"I guess it boils down to whether you'd like to be the pupil or the teacher on Pink Floyd's The Wall. I would choose the pupil ... and I don't think that somehow, at a certain age you're required to not be rebellious/adventurous anymore and instead become docile and tame - or even arrogant and narrow-minded."
Now who's simplifying things.
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angelmk
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 22 2006 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1955 |
Posted: March 02 2009 at 17:10 |
Man, you just don't get it,do you? and where do you find that information ''the target audience is High School boys'' tell me, is it based on your assumptions? if that so , please reconsider that , you are very wrong ,i don't have to elaborate again, it is not ''desperate attempt'' it is love for the music , passion (which obviousely is part you have skipped) and don't tell me that roadrunner is marketting metal, if you don't like it , your problem. it is not called ''pandemic level'' it is called GREAT MUSIC(WHICH YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, AND MAKE A FOOL OF YOURSELF) Man one cannot grow out metal , it stays inside him deeply, if one realy loves metal , it became part of his life, truly.
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