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The T 
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
 Posted: October 12 2007 at 19:27 |
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I'm one of those.... Whilst Black Sabbath is only marginally influential to prog-metal (but it IS, hence it's inclusion in prog-RELATED...), much more so is Metallica which actually has a FULL PROG-METAL ALBUM called "And Justice for All" and "Master of Puppets"..... But I won't say anything about this ever again....The owners seem to think BS is more prog than M, and it's their site, and I'm able to say all kinds of bullsh*t thanks to them, so I'll just shut up.
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: October 12 2007 at 19:23 |
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That's the attitude!
 Either non-yet-prog-fans will stumble with Sabbath on their searches and find some incredible music (then we gain more people to the prog cause) or "elitists" will leave PA because of this inclusion... Well, it's my opinion, that ANYWAY WE WIN HERE.
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micky
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46833 |
Posted: October 12 2007 at 18:05 |
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good deal 
As I tried to illustrate with my LZ IV review... is possible to review
an album by a non prog group fairly.. with regards to the
OVERriding concern of this site... prog rock... and yet take note that
the album IS a classic of rock music. I just don't see the need
to monkey with the rankings and how we rate them. Again.. the
real downside is that if we judge the albums in the same way.. the prog
and non-prog.. you have to then reflect that in the rankings.. and you
don't want to have to endure ENDLESS bitching about why Paranoid is
ranked above Brain Salad Surgery in an album list... on a prog
site. I agree with your sentiments regarding reviews.. but the
big picture ..and the focus on prog can't be lost. IMO of course.cheers. Edited by micky - October 12 2007 at 18:06 |
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rushfan4
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Posted: October 12 2007 at 18:00 |
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No reason to post if it is not controversial.
 Where's the fun in everybody posting that they agree with the addition?[Edit] Besides I haven't downloaded the new Radiohead yet, so I can't participate in those discussions. Edited by rushfan4 - October 12 2007 at 18:05 |
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rushfan4
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Posted: October 12 2007 at 17:59 |
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Fair enough.
 I haven't jumped off any bridges since I was a teenager vacationing in Ludington and a bunch of us were jumping into the lake. That lack of fear/disregard for life left me along time ago, so no, 1 star reviews will not make me jump off any bridges.
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micky
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Posted: October 12 2007 at 17:59 |
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that was a hell of a nice bio Hugues... good one
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20240 |
Posted: October 12 2007 at 17:57 |
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Wow when I start a thread about a 10000% prog bands, it doesn't get to the second pâge unless I bump it up six times. Here inless than 3/4 of one day, we're at 4 pages. You guys sure you like prog?????
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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micky
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Posted: October 12 2007 at 17:55 |
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I answered your post without quoting the big one...sorry about that.... who really gives a flip if they do get 1 star reviews. I hope you aren't planning on jumping off a bridge for a few ignorant 1 star reviews. We have all kinds of reviews.. the good.. and the bad. The reviews you speak of are of course the bad ones... until we decide to edit people's opinions .. we have to live with it. Do you really think anyone pays attention to 1 star reviews that took 5 seconds to write.. no... only those who place some notion in those damn rankings as if it were a game. If some clown wants to give it one star because it isn't prog.. so what. This is a prog site.. and the life of the site is having differing opinions... but what should not be a matter of opinion is this is a prog site. And we have PROG reviewers here... not album reviewers. |
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Dim
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Joined: April 17 2007 Location: Austin TX Status: Offline Points: 6890 |
Posted: October 12 2007 at 17:52 |
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Black Sabbath are here, I dont care too much, this sint that bad.
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rushfan4
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Posted: October 12 2007 at 17:44 |
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First off, as I said in my original long-winded and dry quote for which your eyes probably glossed over and you didn't bother or finish to read (or only read want you wanted to read) I did say that those who review the Sabbath reviews should not give them 5 stars because they are not prog masterpieces, unless the reviewer really thinks that they are prog masterpieces. But I also think that there will be too many people who are peeved because of this addition to the site, even though as only prog-related, who will give 1 star ratings just because they are peeved and not because the albums are poor. If you have listened to the Sabbath albums and think that they are poor then please feel free to give it a 1 star; preferrably with a well-written and thought out explanation not a one sentence "Sabbath sucks and shouldn't be on a prog website".
My follow-up sentence that you quoted was in agreement with responses made by Finnforest and your beloved. I don't think that that is a bad idea since prog-related has been separated from prog and is not being included on the page 1 list with prog bands. As Raff said, she has given some prog-related bands a 5-star rating because they are masterpieces of MUSIC, but based on the guidelines of this site, a 5-star rating means that it is a prog-rock masterpiece. Does that mean that the wording should be changed? I think it would make sense, but I also don't think it is a big deal because I think that we are smart enough to make the distinction that because it is prog-related, a 5 star just means it is a masterpiece in the reviewers beliefs not a prog rock masterpiece.
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micky
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Posted: October 12 2007 at 17:26 |
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considering what I think of my reviews..and how they suck. I
hesistate to do this . but will anyway.. and offer an example of
the way you can fairly treat reviewing an album by a non prog group.
How much more better is served the person who is a prog fan, who
made not have heard the album (
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then just another 5 star review because it is a classic album. Rate the
album on it's prog quotient.. with due regard to it's classic status.http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=110332 Edited by micky - October 12 2007 at 17:27 |
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stonebeard
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Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: October 12 2007 at 17:25 |
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I don't care either way. I never saw them as prog related at all, but apparently others do.
But what irks me is it seems only the big name, classic rock, 70s bands are being now viewed as prog-related. For example, I think the Flaming Lips are 300% more prog than Black Sabbath ever were. However, I wouldn't want them on this site because they clearly don't belong in the grand scheme of things. Add prog-related bands if you wish, I just don't know what the point of it all is. |
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King of Loss
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Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 16442 |
Posted: October 12 2007 at 17:22 |
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Black Sabbath is about Prog as Cannibal Corpse.
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micky
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Posted: October 12 2007 at 17:20 |
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as a further thought on that... if the albums are to be judged the same
way... why then did the site remove non prog albums from the most
popular album list. Those who call for the 'same' means of
ranking and reviewing should also accept to have non prog album near
the top of the album list.. on a prog site.
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micky
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Posted: October 12 2007 at 17:15 |
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and why don't we change the name of the site as well
It is a prog site... personally I think a few 1 star reviews based on the 'prog
quotient' of the music, isn't going to have people jumping off bridges.
Edited by micky - October 12 2007 at 17:15 |
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micky
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Posted: October 12 2007 at 17:09 |
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can't fault his taste in music...very consise reviews http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=134190 or fault those who rate, as I do, based on the premise this is a prog site. |
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mrcozdude
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Joined: July 25 2007 Location: Devon,UK. Status: Offline Points: 2078 |
Posted: October 12 2007 at 15:14 |
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With the points made about adding Sabbath make sence,though i feel 50/50 about their actuall genre.But i deffintley dont take it as serious to argue about it and seeing their related to prog why not put them in prog-related. |
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Easy Livin
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: October 12 2007 at 14:51 |
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Spot on ABN, the latter is what we hope will happen!
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A B Negative
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Joined: May 02 2006 Location: Methil Republic Status: Offline Points: 1594 |
Posted: October 12 2007 at 12:36 |
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I first found Prog Archives when I was looking for information about Krautrock. Although I was familiar with most of the "big" prog groups and some of the less well known, I had no idea just how much prog was out there. PA has helped me discover some fantastic music.
If someone stumbles upon PA while looking for information about Black Sabbath, I reckon it can go two ways. Either they'll say "Sabbath aren't prog" and look elsewhere or, like me, they'll find out about fantastic music they never knew existed.
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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Jared
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Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 19306 |
Posted: October 12 2007 at 11:47 |
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I agree with you entirely, Raff.... ... in fact, I have just graded ALL the Black Sabbath albums which have been added thus far (with the exception of Seventh Star & Eternal Idol, which I've never heard )... and if you're interested, gave 5 stars to Sabotage, my favourite Sabbath album....Edited by fandango - October 12 2007 at 11:48 |
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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