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Points: 29166 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2006 at 02:46
Banks was the mastermind in Genesis.
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Points: 18 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 22:50

Personally I feel Mike and Tony are as much to blame as Phil
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Points: 230 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 22:48
Originally posted by pakish pakish wrote:

If you really know about prog music you should know
that collins always was the mastermind of genesis. The leaving of Gabriel
was a coincidence with the change in gensis music but also with all the
musical movement in england, they truly kept on creating new things.
The problem is to watch it retrospectivly and not paying attention to the
context


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It's amazing.

Where are these people COMING from?

Mars?

Phobos 9?

Further out?

Neptune?

Pluto?

"Observable edge of the Universe?"


SM.

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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 21:55

Originally posted by alan_pfeifer alan_pfeifer wrote:

You know, musicans have  to eat too.

  1. Peter Gabriel
  2. Steve Hackett
  3. Dave Gilmour
  4. Roger Waters
  5. Ian Anderson
  6. Robert Fripp
  7. Bill Bruford
  8. Tony Levin
  9. Steve Howe
  10. Rick Wakeman

Are not exactly poor

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Points: 286 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 21:53

Well considering Wnd and the wuthering and A trick of the tail i think Genesis would have made some more decent if not great stuff if Hackett hadnt left. That being said Phil Collins is a dispicable man whom i loath with a vigorous passion

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Points: 546 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 21:52
they were always bad

listen to Hella
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Points: 823 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 21:48
You know, musicans have  to eat too.
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Collins the mastermind of early Genesis?

His contribution in music and lyrics was almost equal to 0 (ZERO) before Gabriel left.

BTW, always is a long lapse of time, especially for a guy who joined on the third album as drummer (August 4 1970), when a great part the stuff for this release was written or in process (The Jackson Tapes  in 1969 contain material from Nursery Cryme like the first version of Fountain of Salmacis).

Most of the music was by Banks with contribution of Gabriel, Hackett and Rutherford, and the lyrics were mostly by Peter.

Collins did a great job with drums arrangements but significant contribution to songwritting, not even before Hackett left.

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Points: 3047 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 21:44
I for one think Genesis got better without Gabriel
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Because he's a flamer and  burned my house down and I lost everything. That's why I blame Phil Collins.
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Points: 28427 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 21:33
He was the one who made Genesis sell out. Once Hackett left, he really became the mastermind, and killed a great band. And his solo career was cheap pop too!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 21:30
Originally posted by pakish pakish wrote:

If you really know about prog music you should know that collins always was the mastermind of genesis. The leaving of Gabriel was a coincidence with the change in gensis music but also with all the musical movement in england, they truly kept on creating new things. The problem is to watch it retrospectivly and not paying attention to the context
I don`t agree.   

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Points: 166 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2006 at 21:22
If you really know about prog music you should know that collins always was the mastermind of genesis. The leaving of Gabriel was a coincidence with the change in gensis music but also with all the musical movement in england, they truly kept on creating new things. The problem is to watch it retrospectivly and not paying attention to the context
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