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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

People have their heroes and the abundance of people mentioning Neil before Carl is most likely based on their love for Rush and not ELP. As music is subjective but a lot of times it is overrated. For example the way in which the internet represents Led Zeppelin being hailed as the most iconic Rock band during the Golden age of Rock...when I was a teenager. They were in fact NOT! They were thought to be great alongside others. Rock Music was divided amongst us. The generation I grew up with....the 70s ...is very misinterpreted on the internet. A bunch of lies and hot air. It's pretty self explanatory as to why and how it came to be that more people mention Neil over Carl or Rick over Keith.

On another note...prior to Rush making appearances on national TV Emerson had made a name for himself. He was legendary. Several bands were influenced by The Nice and ELP. Beggars Opera, Trace, Triumvirate and others. Obviously ELP made an impact earlier in the 70s. Keith Emerson was super influential to keyboardists around the world. Keith Emerson was so ridiculously popular. People like Michael Quatro and keyboardists in Top 40 bands ...let alone. ..many keyboardists in Progressive Rock bands. Before Rick Wakeman joined Yes...keyboard players were trying to emulate Emerson.


Thanks for saying that, I hate how LZ gets retroactively proclaimed the "greatest of the great" 70s rock bands when ELP, Yes, and Santana were HUGE then.
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It's sad ... and this is the reason why I try to post meaningful content, as opposed to fan crap ... and discussing a bath towel or bathroom carpet ... wow ... the talent of ... is astounding! Yeah it's fun ... but in a thread about the music? 

It tells you everything you need to know about it all ... and the Internet!
You're just jealous because you don't have an ELP bath mat wall hanging toilet seat cover.

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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

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BEST...BAND...EVER
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All bands have stinkers and many have peak periods that shine. ELP are no exception in that. But what shined, really shined. Above and beyond most others.



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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

BEST...BAND...EVER
(IMHO)
All bands have stinkers and many have peak periods that shine. ELP are no exception in that. But what shined, really shined. Above and beyond most others.



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Better than a toilet seat cover.
That was my next guess.
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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

 
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People have their heroes and the abundance of people mentioning Neil before Carl is most likely based on their love for Rush and not ELP. As music is subjective but a lot of times it is overrated. For example the way in which the internet represents Led Zeppelin being hailed as the most iconic Rock band during the Golden age of Rock...when I was a teenager. They were in fact NOT! They were thought to be great alongside others. Rock Music was divided amongst us. The generation I grew up with....the 70s ...is very misinterpreted on the internet. A bunch of lies and hot air. 
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Hi,

Music is not as subjective as we think ... until we give credence to folks that think their opinion is more important than the reality of it all ... I have opinions, but I don't believe that I am "the truth" and "the know" of it all ... it is how I saw what I saw during the time. And this is the main reason why I am not a great fan of the "best of" or the "greatest of" or some other fan ideas about some folks. Even Carl Palmer will tell you that he dislikes comparisons, and he finds them unfair. He had his touch. Neil had his touch. Bonzo had his touch. Moonie had his touch ... and none of them were the same, thus, making the whole discussion of who is greater, a really stupid joke ... not to mention that they also played very different music, some of which was not appreciated at the time, but came to be loved soon after ... I can remember a station in Madison WI making fun of The Nice ... they think they are doing classical music ... and can't play a note! I replied, that I was not sure who the station was comparing these folks to ... the over rated classical folks that played Sunday Nights on campus? Many of them are not that great ... except one I did get to see ... Mr. Segovia ... he blew a string in the middle of a piece, and continued playing around it, and 6 minutes later when it ended, he asked ... did that sound OK? And he got an immediate ovation, which he almost cried in disbelief.

Again, my main issue is how we "think" that we know it all and thus have the right to DECIDE what is good and what is not good, or great. Led Zeppelin was perfect for its time and place. And they MADE bootlegs famous along with the Beatles and Grateful Dead ... it showed what a magnificent band they were on stage in their first 3 years or so ... incredible, and impossible to get a ticket! One series sold like 7 locations in less than 3 hours, to give you an idea ... that's not exactly the sign of a lazy, poor, and ridiculous band, like a few that are "listed" today, that have no track record whatsoever to show for their supposed talent!

What hurt it all was when around 1974/1975, it was then very clear that it was all about the loudness and the noise that the bands made, and some of them were not that great ... for all the love of Deep Purple, that was a concert I walked out of ... out of tune, too loud, and not together or clean ... like a rehearsal was above and beyond their need ... right after Leon Russell put on a show case of how good a show could be without being loud! The other show I walked out of was The Rolling Stones ... they were horrible on stage as many bootlegs showed ... only took 3 songs and 15 minutes to leave! 

I agree with you that the fan base has a tendency to ignore the time and place, and I have heard some folks even say that Woodstock was stupid ... like it meant nothing to anyone, THEN ... and is still meaningless today, because of the media hatred towards many folks, hippies and some drugs. And no one stands up for these bands, and what the whole thing was about ... which, TODAY, is so meaningless, it's not funny ... no one discusses the lyrics anymore, as if the majority of rap bands had more to say than all rock bands put together ... we don't even care what the guy sang about ... because we liked the song ... which many can not even tell you what it is about!

It's sad ... and this is the reason why I try to post meaningful content, as opposed to fan crap ... and discussing a bath towel or bathroom carpet ... wow ... the talent of ... is astounding! Yeah it's fun ... but in a thread about the music? 

It tells you everything you need to know about it all ... and the Internet!
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

BEST...BAND...EVER
(IMHO)
All bands have stinkers and many have peak periods that shine. ELP are no exception in that. But what shined, really shined. Above and beyond most others.



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Originally posted by Stigfzm Stigfzm wrote:

Interestingly, I don't see their popularity revitalised. I know ELP just because of that Japanese anime. I have received so many criticisms against ELP's so-called prog music. It seems that their blend of jazz, classical music and rock doesn't work for every prog fan. People tend to think of Rick rather than Keith when talking about the greatest keyboardist; Neal or Bill rather than Carl when speaking of the best prog drummer. Also, Carl is specially missing from any top drummer list, which is weird.(function(){if (!document.body) return;var js = "window['__CF$cv$params']={r:'87229f508cf33157',t:'MTcxMjc1MDkwNy4xMTQwMDA='};_cpo=document.createElement('script');_cpo.nonce='',_cpo.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js',document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_cpo);";var _0xh = document.createElement('iframe');_0xh.height = 1;_0xh.width = 1;_0xh.style.position = 'absolute';_0xh.style.top = 0;_0xh.style.left = 0;_0xh.style.border = 'none';_0xh.style.visibility = 'hidden';document.body.appendChild(_0xh);function handler() {var _0xi = _0xh.contentDocument || _0xh.contentWindow.document;if (_0xi) {var _0xj = _0xi.createElement('script');_0xj.innerHTML = js;_0xi.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_0xj);}}if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {handler();} else if (window.addEventListener) {document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', handler);} else {var prev = document.onreadystatechange || function () {};document.onreadystatechange = function (e) {prev(e);if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {document.onreadystatechange = prev;handler();}};}})();< height="1" width="1" style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: none; visibility: ;">



People have their heroes and the abundance of people mentioning Neil before Carl is most likely based on their love for Rush and not ELP. As music is subjective but a lot of times it is overrated. For example the way in which the internet represents Led Zeppelin being hailed as the most iconic Rock band during the Golden age of Rock...when I was a teenager. They were in fact NOT! They were thought to be great alongside others. Rock Music was divided amongst us. The generation I grew up with....the 70s ...is very misinterpreted on the internet. A bunch of lies and hot air. It's pretty self explanatory as to why and how it came to be that more people mention Neil over Carl or Rick over Keith.

On another note...prior to Rush making appearances on national TV Emerson had made a name for himself. He was legendary. Several bands were influenced by The Nice and ELP. Beggars Opera, Trace, Triumvirate and others. Obviously ELP made an impact earlier in the 70s. Keith Emerson was super influential to keyboardists around the world. Keith Emerson was so ridiculously popular. People like Michael Quatro and keyboardists in Top 40 bands ...let alone. ..many keyboardists in Progressive Rock bands. Before Rick Wakeman joined Yes...keyboard players were trying to emulate Emerson.
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^ It would be really cool if you also hung your bath on the wall.

As for ELP -- my stock answer when it comes to such questions commonly -- overrated by some and underrated by others.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

BEST...BAND...EVER
(IMHO)
All bands have stinkers and many have peak periods that shine. ELP are no exception in that. But what shined, really shined. Above and beyond most others.


Is that a bath mat? Confused

well, fan is short for fanatic. LOL
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

BEST...BAND...EVER
(IMHO)
All bands have stinkers and many have peak periods that shine. ELP are no exception in that. But what shined, really shined. Above and beyond most others.


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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

BEST...BAND...EVER
(IMHO)
All bands have stinkers and many have peak periods that shine. ELP are no exception in that. But what shined, really shined. Above and beyond most others.


Is that a bath mat? Confused

well, fan is short for fanatic. LOL
Wall Hanging !

Talking like a true fanatic. LOL
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

BEST...BAND...EVER
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All bands have stinkers and many have peak periods that shine. ELP are no exception in that. But what shined, really shined. Above and beyond most others.


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well, fan is short for fanatic. LOL
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IMO all their album releases up to BSS (and possibly Works vol.1) are masterpieces of prog rock, and essential to the collection of any serious prog fan.

[If I could own only one ELP album it would have to be 'Pictures at an Exhibition' as it always manages to lift my spirits, however low I may be.]
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One of the first vinyl albums I ever bought, and still my favourite ELP album Smile

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

BEST...BAND...EVER
(IMHO)
All bands have stinkers and many have peak periods that shine. ELP are no exception in that. But what shined, really shined. Above and beyond most others.


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One of the first vinyl albums I ever bought, and still my favourite ELP album Smile

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

BEST...BAND...EVER
(IMHO)
All bands have stinkers and many have peak periods that shine. ELP are no exception in that. But what shined, really shined. Above and beyond most others.


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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

BEST...BAND...EVER
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All bands have stinkers and many have peak periods that shine. ELP are no exception in that. But what shined, really shined. Above and beyond most others.


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Hi,

I started with ELP on their Mussorgsky release, and the next day I heard that one song on the first album and went and got it. I was with them until BSS.

Even at the time, I was already telling folks what a great composer Keith Emerson was, and how well so much of his playing sounded like classical music to my ears, done with a modern, electric twist to it. These days, when you can hear Rachel Flowers do TARKUS on piano (and also on organ!!!), you can immediately see what a great composer he was, which the rock press and majority of fans, were to never accentuate, or appreciate ... they wanted the hits, not the music!

Seeing a couple of things done for Keith, at least one with Rachel, was ... sad to my ears, but I was proud to have thought of it as the classical music that it was ... and how it was portrayed with an orchestra. 

His work will survive. The rock songs will be forgotten and the new generation won't give a damn, like they don't know, and think of much of it as elevator music, because it has no loudness, or a screaming guitar, or some kind of growl. Anything that is not about music, if you will. Their shows were LOUD in those days, but nowhere near the ridiculous level of Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Hawkwind, or the worst offender of them all? The Rolling Stones.

I'm of the opinion that there is more Keith Emerson material available, but some folks that were close to him, don't want to show it, because it was not written as a band like ELP would play it ... it is on a staff with regular notes and such ... and sadly we won't hear any of this ... some of t might be bagatelles, but there is no artist, writer, or painter, that did not leave behind 150 parts and pieces in various closets because they did not fit anywhere at the time ... 

That's not to say that none of the material is great or worth being seen, but I would we certainly did not leave behind a lot of Mozart and Beethoven and hundreds of other composers, and I think it is time we allow Keith's notes to show themselves and what they created. Hopefully before my time is up, because I am one of the few that has spoken of him as a modern classical composer of music, not just a rock'n'roller. The presentation was ... what was needed at the time for his music to be seen ... and we have to appreciate that and understand it, so folks misrepresenting the music really need to jump off the pier into the ocean as Monty Python would say!


Edited by moshkito - April 10 2024 at 08:09
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ELP is one of the closest things, with Gentle Giant perhaps, to classical music in prog.
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