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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21594 |
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^ by whom?
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15558 |
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In my book, the main criteria for being "successful" is to be appreciated.
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Chiyo ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: January 08 2024 Location: Proggyland Status: Offline Points: 197 |
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Maybe I will be more convincing with this official video from Big Big Train, released a month ago, featuring the song "Oblivion," which is taken from their upcoming album “The Likes of Us," out March 1st, 2024. It has a healthy 138,589 views at this very moment.
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Awesoreno ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 07 2019 Location: Culver City, CA Status: Offline Points: 3079 |
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^And that's honestly the first track you've posted that actually is "modern" in terms of prog, at least to my ears (love that album). That's not a comment on my opinion of the quality. But I think Grumpy brought up the true dichotomy of how we're discussing this. Are we talking the NUMBER of groups/artists and releases, or are we talking about acts that are actually treading new (or at least somewhat new) ground?
It's certainly true that Norway (and Sweden) has many current groups that are making all different kinds of music. But it does seem like a significant portion of it is in the symph vein with varying degrees of retro prog flavors. To my knowledge, many more bands from the US (and Japan, Canada) are producing fresh, new material that rivals that of Norway. And ALL of them are blowing the UK out of the water in terms of innovation (as opposed to quantity, black midi notwithstanding). Indeed, most of what you have posted helps make that point. And once again, this is to say nothing of the quality of the music. That is entirely subjective. And I enjoyed much of what you posted, to be fair.
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 12421 |
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-Anyway, I think it needs to be a bit of both. A "successful modern prog nation" should to be profilic, vibrant and of course diverse. For every "Wobbler-band" there's at least twice as many experimental and forward thinking "Rune Grammofon" kinds of bands and projects etc... But of course, they are less "successful", so fewer people knows about them. I listen to them though (Wobbler, not so much. Although I fully respect them for working within an established tradition - and doing it well).
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LAM-SGC ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 26 2018 Location: se Status: Offline Points: 1550 |
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Favourite: UK, Norway, Germany
Best: Norway, UK Successful: No idea, I don't study gig ticket and music sales. |
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mathman0806 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6813 |
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That is part of the discussion points for this topic. What does it mean to be successful? How do you measure success?
In Norway's defense, there is a variety of prog that does come from there, not just retro prog. Though the retro is the most popular on a prog scale. |
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If you look at the PA Top 10 for the last decade there are 5 Norwegian albums. There's your answer right there.
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15558 |
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It's really annoying and too bad, Paul, how much you ignore the OPs. ![]() Edited by David_D - January 09 2024 at 12:30 |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Excellent reply! USA is seeing something of a resurgence in jazz-rock fusion, with younger players (Gabe Severn) hitting the stage and older acts (Al Dimeola) continuing to tour. No huge break-out acts yet, I'll post when there are. Not much in symphonic from USA lately, although the new Glass Hammer CD "Arise" is certainly excellent! Colin Carter's new CD "Tracks in Space" is another fine work (eclectic?) PA is great for tracking all of this stuff, thanks for all the updates!!
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 43441 |
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^ I don't agree with the final Top 15 either. Tangerine Dream should've been top of the list and how on earth did Univers Zero make it into the Top 10. Another rhetorical question.
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suitkees ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050 |
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Ah!
That's already two additional criteria that were not mentioned before.
Remains the question of why those 12-or-so voter in your thread could
legitimize the proposition that that these are "The 15 most popular European bands" as you dared to state before? I don't think you can justify such a statement other than by lying to yourself. It suffices to do a diligent search in the PA database (or on RYM) to get completely different results...
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 43441 |
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They're the 15 most popular European prog bands as voted for by the good members of ProgArchives. What more do you need to know? That's a rhetorical question too.
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mathman0806 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6813 |
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Paul didn't give the title of his list, which should be something like, "The 15 most popular European bands according to members of the Prog Rock Archives forum who responded to my poll in [insert year] using my weighted point system."
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suitkees ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050 |
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^ How many did vote? And why ever could lead that number of votes to the statement that those are "The 15 most popular European bands"? These are rather rhetorical questions...
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 43441 |
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They're only "ludicrous and unrepresentative" if you dismiss the votes of the good members of ProgArchives. ![]() Prog Europa - Top 10 European Prog Bands - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=124979&PN=4
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 43441 |
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Only from a political and proggy perspective. When I think of European prog bands, I'm thinking of continental Europe.
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