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Yeah I got his point.  This is why text discussions can be challenging.

Real journalism in mainstream media?   That's easy, but I'm not really looking to debate who may or may not be real journalists in your eyes.   I think of Rachel Maddow (who just released Prequel about the history of Fascism in the US), I think of the reporters in Ukraine & the Middle east, I think of the hard-working people who produce Democracy Now.   

But again, what I take issue with is the assumption, in fact the complete belief, that other individuals ~ serious people, as serious as anyone else who takes things seriously, who know a hell of a lot more about what's going on in the world than you or I do---   y'know, who have been there ~ are not only fooling themselves but intentionally misleading everyone else.   It doesn't ring true and smacks of the current wave of "don't believe anything you see or hear or smell or read or taste or feel or perceive."
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^ His point is that there seem to be hardly any real journalists left in the mainstream media. Actually if there are, they probably agree with his post more than with yours, since he is not attacking them.

Your actual point seems to be that he is accusing "real" journalists of not doing their job properly. Can you give a few examples of current "real" journalism in mainstream media? Then we could look at that and see whether we all agree that it is actually good, and why (or why not).


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^ You mean the real journalists would agree with my post, or yours-- ?  


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^ I bet any real journalists that are left would agree.  Are there still any real journalists left in mainstream media, or did they all leave?  

The major news networks function more like reality shows than news networks!
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^ Tell that to an investigative reporter.
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Investigative reporting seems to be a dead art.  News outlets mostly push whatever narrative they are being fed and spout opinions. 
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Ah the propaganda thread, it may not have been the op's intention, but to PA's resident keyboard warriors, its an open invitation to assert their propaganda ... and off we go.
OP's intention was to remind everyone here to use nuance and apply media literacy when reading about current events or history and not to fall for sensationalist headlines completely built around deliberate lies manifesting as propaganda. OP wants people here not be f**king idiots, like the major media companies, and spread disinformation that leads to the burning down of a historic synagogue in Tunsia because people are angry at an event that did not happen and were falsely reported without being fact checked.

OP is simultaneously outraged and disappointed and believes the parties responsible for their lack of journalistic integrity need to either need to take accountability or to be held liable for their careless and dangerous recklessness.

OP has lost all faith in the media, and doesn't trust anything he reads online anymore.

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Will you fight for the rights of cabbages? Will you fight for the rights of lima beans?? Sucked up into outer space, I was forced to eat planets. My poops are so large that they block out the sun. All the eggs have escaped and all we're left with are coloring books. It's the right thing to do if you have a feed bag. The core of the Earth is made out of hampers. Viewer discretion is advised.


Stop spreading your propaganda! Think about the children! They won't understand and turn to unthinkable self-harm. Just reading this makes me want to snort packets of jell-o!

Whoops! Embarrassed I thought with a thread title like Propaganda, we were supposed to post propaganda, or at least something about poop or coloring books. My bad. Eating too many meteorological pants certainly puts things in perspective. I hope I brought my microfiber floor mop. May your snack bags be snack bags!


How dare you call my snack bags snack bags, you silly aardvark! May the ants you feast upon exhibit whirlings of psychedelic undulations that reverberate into meteorological metamorphosis! And how did you know i love to eat Poop Tarts?

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

This is the only Propaganda that I passionately believe in....
oh wow I discovered something actually cool thanks to this thread
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Will you fight for the rights of cabbages? Will you fight for the rights of lima beans?? Sucked up into outer space, I was forced to eat planets. My poops are so large that they block out the sun. All the eggs have escaped and all we're left with are coloring books. It's the right thing to do if you have a feed bag. The core of the Earth is made out of hampers. Viewer discretion is advised.


Stop spreading your propaganda! Think about the children! They won't understand and turn to unthinkable self-harm. Just reading this makes me want to snort packets of jell-o!

Whoops! Embarrassed I thought with a thread title like Propaganda, we were supposed to post propaganda, or at least something about poop or coloring books. My bad. Eating too many meteorological pants certainly puts things in perspective. I hope I brought my microfiber floor mop. May your snack bags be snack bags!
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Will you fight for the rights of cabbages? Will you fight for the rights of lima beans?? Sucked up into outer space, I was forced to eat planets. My poops are so large that they block out the sun. All the eggs have escaped and all we're left with are coloring books. It's the right thing to do if you have a feed bag. The core of the Earth is made out of hampers. Viewer discretion is advised.


Stop spreading your propaganda! Think about the children! They won't understand and turn to unthinkable self-harm. Just reading this makes me want to snort packets of jell-o!

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This is the only Propaganda that I passionately believe in....
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Will you fight for the rights of cabbages? Will you fight for the rights of lima beans?? Sucked up into outer space, I was forced to eat planets. My poops are so large that they block out the sun. All the eggs have escaped and all we're left with are coloring books. It's the right thing to do if you have a feed bag. The core of the Earth is made out of hampers. Viewer discretion is advised.
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^ They're extremely talented ... I remember discussing them for inclusion here in 2005 when I was still in the prog metal team. Clap
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ and Panzerballett!

EXTREMELY underrated band Smile
Take me down, to the underground
Won't you take me down, to the underground
Why oh why, there is no light
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^ and Panzerballett!

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I hear Panzerpappa is cool.
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Oh my mistake. I thought i was checking out the Properpanda discussion. Do carry on. Cheerio.

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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Y e p---   and for you 'news deniers', you are absolutely hilarious!   You think people who watch "the news" actually believe it's all absolutely true ?!    HAAA HA Ha ha !!   That is hilarious !

YOU, the fake news hounds, have become the liars, the mis-leaders.   The fools.   If I were a serious hard-working young journalist or reporter and one of you jackasses decided to call me a fraud, I'd punch you in the face and go to jail for with pleasure.   But you will continue your bitter, bizarre, paranoid campaign... as if anyone cares about your agenda.   

It's sad.




Yeah, a typical technique of a con artist, demagogue or brain washing cultist is to convince you that you can't tell truth from fiction or right from wrong, etc.

This is what's called a red herring ... 

"and for you 'news deniers', you are absolutely hilarious" ok, who are these "news deniers"? What does the phrase even mean? Is that people who deny all news? I've never met such a person.

"You think people who watch "the news" actually believe it's all absolutely true?" No. Neither do I know anyone who thinks that.

"YOU, the fake news hounds, have become the liars, the mis-leaders.   The fools." Ok, prove it. In order to do so, you need to give an example. Who do you mean? Name one of these "fake news hounds" and give an example of a lie they've told, and how you determined that it actually was a lie.

"one of you jackasses decided to call me a fraud" Nobody has done so in this thread.

"to convince you that you can't tell truth from fiction or right from wrong" Who in this thread or my recent one has argued that position? Nobody. I said that it is impossible to KNOW anything, by which I mean that when it comes to news, we can't verify all of that ourselves - for all practical purposes we need to trust one or more sources. But that does not mean that we can't figure out which of the competing narratives are more consistent than others. And when it comes to "right from wrong", that's a completely separate issue which none here have said anything about, as I can recall.
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^ If you believe in Freud.


Yeah, I don't listen to elitists with college degrees, youtube is where its at baby, you can learn everything there.
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