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JD, I hate to break it to you gently, but I don't think any album in the history of prog rock has been written by a lyricist. ;-) 

Just to interject, I would suggest, in a wholly formative and abstract manner, Peter Sinfield. He even came up with the name "King Crimson".

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I would offer that Instrumental thing I made, but it's already slated for a spotify release (as a demo) and I'm planning to use it for personal use. Any other way I can be useful, message me
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Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:


JD, I hate to break it to you gently, but I don't think any album in the history of prog rock has been written by a lyricist. ;-) 

Just to interject, I would suggest, in a wholly formative and abstract manner, Peter Sinfield. He even came up with the name "King Crimson".
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I have a feeling that if I were to contribute to this, I would be summarily dismissed because my thoughts are kind of "out there." Unless this group is interested in making a wall-of-sound instrumental of noise about giant ducks that smell like libraries? 
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I'm not sure I could contribute anything, I like writing lyrics, but I'm not great LOL, I'm not sure I could help in any way, shape or form, but this would be great to hear!
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Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

I use Audacity Audacity 3.2.1
(someone I know uses another program, and the alignment is screwed up)

What I'd like to do is send a drum track with some "skin" (rhythm piano/guitar) and then have people add on to it.. Have a few different versions. I've done it, and the more you work together, the more better it becomes in every way. WeTransfer.com is a great free site I use where you can send files back and forth.


Ideally, there shouldn't be any alignment problems between DAWs if things are done right.

Exporting tracks in mp3 can be a problem since mp3s do not have accurate start/end times. flac or wav is best.

Many DAWs do automatic time-stretching to project tempo, which can have weird results with files that aren't loops (and often hard to detect just by listening). As long as this behaviour is turned off when tracks are imported, there shouldn't be any problems.

Much as I respect Audacity as a very capable program, and excellent considering it's free, I couldn't personally see myself doing any in-depth production with it. I do use it for certain things, but most people have their own preferences for DAW and tend to get used to what they're working with. Hence cross-platform import/export is a must really.
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I use Audacity Audacity 3.2.1
(someone I know uses another program, and the alignment is screwed up)

What I'd like to do is send a drum track with some "skin" (rhythm piano/guitar) and then have people add on to it.. Have a few different versions. I've done it, and the more you work together, the more better it becomes in every way. WeTransfer.com is a great free site I use where you can send files back and forth.
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Hello Dave and all...

I'm a newb, but it didn't take long to realize that this forum is chock full of musicians and other creatives... goes with the territory for sure!

Anyway... so found this part of the forum, and then this thread.

Just wondering if anything came of this?

Speaking of Reaper, NINJAM is an interesting way to jam, if anyone's familiar with it? It takes a bit of getting used to and it's not the same as being in a room, but definitely a way that creative ideas can be hatched.
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Mosh - "wanted, singer"
means "singer wanted".

If I wanted something other than a singer, I'd ask for it. :-)

Thanks for the input, though. 

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Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

(facepalm)

Hi,

Not necessary. You've proved a lot with your amount of work. And singing, or word'ing (as I call it) is not something that you have given enough of a chance or tried. 

Just recently, I redid that Ygdrasil Poetry Magazine's monthly that I put together in May 1999 and I had to redo my own 2 poems. I have not liked my voice in these things, although when I read things out it feels alright. So I played the piece of music (with permission from the writer and author!!!) and redid the poems I originally had, and decided to concentrate on the words, and apply them better to the flow of the music ... and it came out way better than I thought, and the voice, "lived" well with the words, and it probably helped that this time, I "ditched" the poem idea, and just went into it with "total emotion" ... which fit things way better than before.

(.... https://www.academia.edu/73832614/Ygdrasil_JULY_2022_Audio_ISSUE_Edited_by_Pedro_Sena ... )

Sometimes, the "idea" of singing is the problem, because one thinks it needs this or that ... and if you throw that away, go to the bathroom and say the words to the mirror while shaving, you won't become Harry Secombe, and don't have to, but you will in due course find a way for the words to flow that sounds alright ... and is much better, and not weird, as you thinking of singing something!

Try it ... some improvisation actually works, on voice, even though musicians are so married to their scales they can't even move without getting slapped in the face for looking at another ... scale. (PDQ Bach joke!)


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Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

Count me in as a keyboardist or vocalist Big smile


Thank God for that, no one wants to hear me sing. ;-)

Hi,

Why do you have to sing? 

Just do words, a sort of Robert Wyatt, and fly on the words alone as poetry.

to be honest, I'm sick and tired of singers. You would think that most of them would learn something BEYOND the notes, and the only real answer is ... no chance!

Make us cry and smile ... not because of the notes, but the quality of the words and how they are spoken or stated. It may have an amount of musicality to it, but sometimes, it is not necessary! Once we get off the idea of the "singer" and move on, I think any voice is just as good as the next. 
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Just out of interest: I was going to do some Bob Calvert covers..... anyone here sing like Bob ? 

(And actually have a recording setup, singing into phones doesn't count.... ;-) ) 

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Ha, well, well. many ways to skin a cat, JD. ;-) 

I shall retract my hasty comment. ;-)

Oh God, do I have to have a plan ? Well, I'll switch the synth on and see what comes out of it. If you've heard my stuff, I generally do Arabic / Middle eastern sounding stuff, generally weird scales, so I'll just put that on the website (eventually) and anyone who wants to contribute is more than welcome to send me something. 

So, no plan, really. I just like leaving things to evolve. As you say, it all starts with an idea...... ;-)

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Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

So, as PA Collaborators official (or non-existent) lyricist and evil genius behind the camera, I'm proposing a concept album of sorts.
Working title - The Beasts Bite Back
Overview of concept - Betrayals and Misjudgements


JD, I hate to break it to you gently, but I don't think any album in the history of prog rock has been written by a lyricist. ;-) 

I don't do lyrics and I really don't do vocals. For a laugh once, I put up an advert on a vocalist forum asking for a lyricist to help put lyrics to an existing song. All I got back was rubbish. Someone, for example, thought that rhyming "smoke" with "Coke" made him a lyricist. ;-) 

The way musical creativity works in a group is that everyone plays off each other's musical ideas and sometimes a song pops out of the end of it. Most of the time, musicians don't have any musical ideas beyond a blues 1-4-5 and nothing comes out. 

If something does, then you add the lyrics. ;-) 

Clearly you missed my point. It all starts with an idea. Something that can anchor the musicians into a common place. That being said, I was going to post the question about how you envision the process unfolding. I've been involved with recording/production enough to know that most songs begin with a lick or melody that needs to be developed. Some begin with lyrics that need the melody to support that. Some begin with a rhythm that sparks the melody and in turn draws out the lyrics. To suggest that NO album ever began with lyrics is naive. I'm pretty sure Jim Morrison wrote his lyrics (poems) and the band supported them with their music, yes?
But hey, this is your project so you are certainly free to approach it any way you want.
So...what's your plan Stan?
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;-)
Right, that's my $0.02.

What I'll do is get the old content scrubbed off my website and put up some information there. Unfortunately, I'm honestly massively busy with other things, but I'll post the URL here when it's all set up. Everything will be explained on the website, so anyone interested, get in touch. ;-)

Open ended offer. There's a lot of talent here on PA, so why not use it ? We all complain about the lack of new music and lack of opportunities for musicians to jam with each other.... here we are, 21st century, all the technology there on a forum full of prog musicians. So let's give it a go. ;-)

I'm not stopping anyone else trying this, either. ;-) In fact, if we could ask the admins for a "collaborative music section" on PA, sort of a musician's dating board, that'd be very useful. 

Edited by Davesax1965 - April 07 2022 at 03:54

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I'll try and put a lead guitar on that chord sequence (no promises though!!)
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This is why auditions are essential. 

"Just send me a track back with some ideas in it." 

And either someone can or can't. So there's the technical bit of the audition. 

You then reach the hurdle of "Musicians who can't improvise, or can only do so in a pentatonic minor. 

Try this. 
 F G G# B D

Improvise. ;-)

Actually, it's the notes from The Glorious Om Riff by Steve Hillage. In G. So it's nothing like a pentatonic or blues scale. You'll find that most musicians can not get their heads around improvising in unconventional scales as they spent most of their time playing tab, and not doing things like interval training. 

So. Two major hurdles. One, find the musician. Two. Find the musician with enough skills to improvise out of the box. 

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Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

Count me in as a keyboardist or vocalist Big smile


Thank God for that, no one wants to hear me sing. ;-)

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