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I HOPE NOT!!!

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Alan White doesn't cut it anymore as a live drummer (which is why they have Jay Schellen on board as extra drummer on tours now), but there is no reason White wouldn't be able to record a new studio album with the band. Playing live and recording in the studio are very different things. If they do another studio album, they should do it with White, but let Schellen take over already when they go on tour.


And I don't know why people are so hard on Billy Sherwood, he is an excellent bass player and vocalist, and he also plays guitar and drums, as well as produces, mixes, etc. a truly multitalented person. It is ridiculous that he is being treated as a "new guy", when he has a history with the band going back almost 30 years.
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I wouldn't mind a new album from AWR or ARW or whatever it's called . 

If any classic prog line up is looking for a drummer then why not Carl Palmer? He is virtually the only drummer from the classic era still either alive or going strong. Alan White is totally clapped out as already mentioned.  Howe and Palmer were in Asia together so maybe a version of Yes with them might not be so strange. I would float a line up of Howe, Davison, Oliver Wakeman, Palmer and Beggs that could comfortably play the classic Yes material and maybe produce a new album under the Yes moniker. As long as Howe is involved then the band can be called Yes imo. As suggested already , Nick Beggs is the only modern bass player remotely suitable .
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

As long as they keep their current line-up, I don't think they would be able to create something worth of hearing (yet, I'm sure I would end up buying it anyway). I do believe they should have kept Oliver in the band, and then perhaps once Benoit was ready to leave they could have had Anderson back. And for bass, I know Squire chose Sherwood to go on, but what I have heard from him just isn't up to the stantard of Yes music, I just don't trust him being able to create something worthy of Yes... after hearing Steven Wilson's Raven album, oh I wish Yes had gotten Nick Beggs into the band... and then some of those great drummers Wilson himself has used for his music. I would much rather have heard a new album from AWR than from Howe's Yes... but it seems that one imploded too

Well said, D! 

When Yes were around, Chris Squire was truly innovative....there were very few with his skill and chops on the bass guitar.  However, decades later, many musicians have surfaced of equal skill and talent, Beggs being one.  

Squire was remarkable for singing and playing bass simultaneously, one of the best I'd ever seen!  Wetton and Lake could also do this, it is incredibly hard to do with complex bass parts.  

I would have liked to seen Yes retain Ollie Wakeman and gone in a more "progressive" direction for vocals instead of the hackneyed approach of bringing on a tribute band vocalist.  Personally, I always thought Yes music lent itself to a female lead vocalist.  

These are all "what if" stories, perhaps someday lighting will be captured in a bottle once more, and another band that rivals and even surpasses Yes will appear.  I'm happy to hold onto my memories of the amazing band I'd followed for decades, and I don't wish to sully my memories by seeing substandard performances in a tiny casino stage someplace. 
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

There may well be a new album from the Howe version of Yes. He has certainly spoken about it.

I don’t think it would be a good idea. Heaven & Earth was extremely ordinary.

As far as new stuff is concerned, I am enjoying 1000 Hands. Anderson is on good form, although much of it is actually quite old music. I am looking forward to listening to Wakeman’s new one, and I thought the ARW live strand was far superior to the official Yes version.

Howe and Anderson will never work together again. Howe has barely suffered Jon since the financial fallout after the Tormato breakup of the band. ABWH was a fantastic effort, and should have been a springboard to a fine long term collaboration, but Anderson wanted Yes. Bruford had no interest in that beyond a money spinning tour, and that Union period put the final nail in the coffin of Anderson and Howe trusting each other. Howe loathes Anderson. End of.

Anyhow, I have no issue whatsoever in accepting it is over. I wish the Howe version would stop. I enjoy listening to past glories. I have more of an issue with older musicians trying, and failing, to revisit said past glories.

The past is the past. There is so much great new music out there, including some Yes members solo stuff. Let’s leave it at that.


I certainly agree that Heaven & Earth was weak, but why does that mean that a new album would be a bad idea? Could they not have learned something from how H & E was received, and make an effort to step up their game? They are sure taking their time, so maybe they are really holding off until they are sure they have a better album than the last one?

Wakeman's new album The Red Planet is fantastic, I highly recommend it.

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As long as they keep their current line-up, I don't think they would be able to create something worth of hearing (yet, I'm sure I would end up buying it anyway). I do believe they should have kept Oliver in the band, and then perhaps once Benoit was ready to leave they could have had Anderson back. And for bass, I know Squire chose Sherwood to go on, but what I have heard from him just isn't up to the stantard of Yes music, I just don't trust him being able to create something worthy of Yes... after hearing Steven Wilson's Raven album, oh I wish Yes had gotten Nick Beggs into the band... and then some of those great drummers Wilson himself has used for his music. I would much rather have heard a new album from AWR than from Howe's Yes... but it seems that one imploded too
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^ I feel more or less the same way. I've always felt like a bit of an anomaly in the sense that I got into the band in a big way in the 80's when prog wasn't cool. I'm sure lots of younger people had the 90125 album but they probably stopped there and didn't necessarily become big prog heads like I did. Anyway, I've been into them since then and while I am not old enough to have been into them in the 70's at one point I was probably as big into them as just about anyone else. However, I have no intention of seeing them again or buying any more albums by them unless they make some kind of change preferably one that includes letting Jon Anderson back in the band. I don't see that happening though so for me it's all about the memories now and moving onto other bands(maybe ones who were influenced by them). 
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I had hoped against hope that Yes would continue, perhaps with the offspring of members (Ollie Wakeman especially) in their lead roles, and with the senior members in the wings, as mentors. 

Alas, the band has degenerated into a group of toddlers, fighting over blocks in the playpen. 

The sooner Yes passes on into the history books, the better.  There is no saving that mess.  Pains me to say it, my first Yes show was CTTE in 1972.  
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There may well be a new album from the Howe version of Yes. He has certainly spoken about it.

I don’t think it would be a good idea. Heaven & Earth was extremely ordinary.

As far as new stuff is concerned, I am enjoying 1000 Hands. Anderson is on good form, although much of it is actually quite old music. I am looking forward to listening to Wakeman’s new one, and I thought the ARW live strand was far superior to the official Yes version.

Howe and Anderson will never work together again. Howe has barely suffered Jon since the financial fallout after the Tormato breakup of the band. ABWH was a fantastic effort, and should have been a springboard to a fine long term collaboration, but Anderson wanted Yes. Bruford had no interest in that beyond a money spinning tour, and that Union period put the final nail in the coffin of Anderson and Howe trusting each other. Howe loathes Anderson. End of.

Anyhow, I have no issue whatsoever in accepting it is over. I wish the Howe version would stop. I enjoy listening to past glories. I have more of an issue with older musicians trying, and failing, to revisit said past glories.

The past is the past. There is so much great new music out there, including some Yes members solo stuff. Let’s leave it at that.
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I'm pretty firmly in the "I pretty much like everything that Yes has done" corner, so I'd be happy to have a new studio album from them.  The amount of Yes-related material in existence is truly overwhelming, but there is very little that I don't like and I am always happy when they come out with new material.  The new Steve Howe album is pretty good, although his singing is still not the greatest.  LOL  Jon Anderson's 1000 Hands album was really good, as far as I am concerned.  I've heard really encouraging reviews on Rick Wakeman's new album, but haven't heard that one yet.  
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

worse than Tormato, Big Generator & Open Your Eyes combined. Smile

Well that's Heaven and Earth summed up nicely. Wink

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

worse than Tormato, Big Generator & Open Your Eyes combined. Smile

Well that's Heaven and Earth summed up nicely. Wink

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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

worse than Tormato, Big Generator & Open Your Eyes combined. Smile

Well that's Heaven and Earth summed up nicely. Wink

Evil SmileLOL

oh, wait, I like Big Generator
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worse than Tormato, Big Generator & Open Your Eyes combined. Smile

Well that's Heaven and Earth summed up nicely. Wink
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Yes 3: Bruford, Levin, Moraz, Horn and... who on guitars?

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

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I hope not. 

No Squire, no Yes. 

Plus, no offense, they are rather old, Alan White cannot drum much anymore (I saw a video of a live show where he's backed up by a younger drummer). Howe seems to stubbornly continue to keep Yes just to piss off Jon Anderson. But Anderson created ARW, which pissed of Howe I think. It's ridiculous already. We kinda have two Yes bands. LOL


About Alan White, I do agree with you. The younger drummer is Jay Schellen, and I suspect that he's been added to the live band partly in preparation for White's retirement from the band. But that's just my own speculation.

About Squire however, I do not agree at all. Of course, he will always be missed. But Sherwood is more than capable on the bass as well as vocally, and as a writer too. People sometimes say that there can be no Yes without Squire, but they tend to forget about Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe which totally sounded like Yes even though Squire was not involved.

Like you point out, and I probably should have mentioned this in the original post, there are two versions of Yes currently (or at least there was a couple of years ago). The "other" version containing Jon Anderson, Trevor Rabin, and Rick Wakeman. They talked about recording a studio album together, but I doubt it will happen.


I read in a magazine long ago that ABWH was not released under the Yes name out of respect for Chris Squire, because he was the heart & soul of Yes, the engine, the driving force behind the band. 
So that's why I said no Squire, no Yes. Big smile


As far as I know, the real reason the ABWH album was not released under the name "Yes" was that this name was legally owned by the other group.

Anyway, ABWH sounded like Yes, even more so than 90125 or Big Generator did.

It always surprises me when people say that "there can be no Yes without individual X". Yes was always something over and above its individual members, and the sound of the band survived through so many line up changes. No member was stricly essential, not Squire (as ABWH proves), not Anderson (as Drama proves)...


I just told you what I read. I've always believed Squire was the essential member of Yes. I guess I should not believe everything I read?! Confused

BTW, what other group? You mean to say Anderson was in both groups?! That traitor! LOL

Wasn't the Rabin line-up on a break after Big Generator? So Anderson got together with Howe and Wakeman and Bruford? The things I read... LOL


Honestly, I don't remember exactly who owned the name "Yes" at that time, but there was a legal conflict between Yes and ABWH. Anderson was in both groups.

It is similar to what we have today with Yes (Howe, White, Downes, Sherwood, and Davison) on the one hand, and Yes feat. Anderson Rabin Wakeman on the other hand.

The way I see it is that there cannot be too many Yes'es, the more the better LOL
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there can be no re-union, Howe and Anderson can barely stand each other. 

There's a solution to that: I saw them on that Union tour In-the-Round (great concert, BTW!). It suffices to put JA on one side, SH on the opposite side, the drum kits (AW, BB) and the keys (RW, TK) in the middle and Jon and Steve will never have to meet each other (as long as they don't move around to much, something they never really did, actually)... Big smile

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Anyway, ABWH sounded like Yes, even more so than 90125 or Big Generator did.

This is true, I think. But it also means, maybe, that 90125 was more progressive (in the sense of exploring new territories) than ABWH ever were, since they were more harking back to what they had done before... It is part of the reason why I think that nowadays Yes has become a Yes tribute-band, despite the "original" material.

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We kinda have two Yes bands. LOL

Oh, oh... So we can expect a new Union album. How shall we call it ? Union 2, Re-Union or Onion and Curry? Clown


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Anyway, ABWH sounded like Yes, even more so than 90125 or Big Generator did.

This is true, I think. But it also means, maybe, that 90125 was more progressive (in the sense of exploring new territories) than ABWH ever were, since they were more harking back to what they had done before... It is part of the reason why I think that nowadays Yes has become a Yes tribute-band, despite the "original" material.

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

We kinda have two Yes bands. LOL

Oh, oh... So we can expect a new Union album. How shall we call it ? Union 2, Re-Union or Onion and Curry? Clown




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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I hope not. 

No Squire, no Yes. 

Plus, no offense, they are rather old, Alan White cannot drum much anymore (I saw a video of a live show where he's backed up by a younger drummer). Howe seems to stubbornly continue to keep Yes just to piss off Jon Anderson. But Anderson created ARW, which pissed of Howe I think. It's ridiculous already. We kinda have two Yes bands. LOL


About Alan White, I do agree with you. The younger drummer is Jay Schellen, and I suspect that he's been added to the live band partly in preparation for White's retirement from the band. But that's just my own speculation.

About Squire however, I do not agree at all. Of course, he will always be missed. But Sherwood is more than capable on the bass as well as vocally, and as a writer too. People sometimes say that there can be no Yes without Squire, but they tend to forget about Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe which totally sounded like Yes even though Squire was not involved.

Like you point out, and I probably should have mentioned this in the original post, there are two versions of Yes currently (or at least there was a couple of years ago). The "other" version containing Jon Anderson, Trevor Rabin, and Rick Wakeman. They talked about recording a studio album together, but I doubt it will happen.


I read in a magazine long ago that ABWH was not released under the Yes name out of respect for Chris Squire, because he was the heart & soul of Yes, the engine, the driving force behind the band. 
So that's why I said no Squire, no Yes. Big smile


As far as I know, the real reason the ABWH album was not released under the name "Yes" was that this name was legally owned by the other group.

Anyway, ABWH sounded like Yes, even more so than 90125 or Big Generator did.

It always surprises me when people say that "there can be no Yes without individual X". Yes was always something over and above its individual members, and the sound of the band survived through so many line up changes. No member was stricly essential, not Squire (as ABWH proves), not Anderson (as Drama proves)...


I just told you what I read. I've always believed Squire was the essential member of Yes. I guess I should not believe everything I read?! Confused

BTW, what other group? You mean to say Anderson was in both groups?! That traitor! LOL

Wasn't the Rabin line-up on a break after Big Generator? So Anderson got together with Howe and Wakeman and Bruford? The things I read... LOL
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