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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2015 at 08:31
Just a reminder that my vote for You (v. Octopus) wasn't accepted. My vote might make all the difference.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2015 at 08:01
A few tight battles still going on but it looks like YS, Renaissance, Oldfield, Steely Dan, AD2, Hatfield & Osanna are moving on. Is VDGG far enough ahead of Camel?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2015 at 14:58
Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Only in 5 polls of the 16 in this round of classic polls, my favorite is winning Shocked
Well, it's still early in the week, um... Ermm


and many WAY WAY too close to call..

look at that bottom of the bracket... 6 of 8 polls with margins 3 or less.

even more fun... look at the bottom 4... TOTAL vote margin...

2 votes.

wide frickin open...Clap

yeah...  I have 3 album in my top 20 still left... all 3 appear to be on to the 4th round baring major major movement.  My 4th favorite ... in a complete dogfight with another classic and fellow member of my top 100 list.

We knew as the tournament went on.. the choices would get harder.. nice to see the polls reflect it.  Makes me think we did a damn good job selecting these things.. as much of who we included.. in who we did NOT include.

Right, my faves will defend themselves with vehemence, I'm sure LOL
Yes, it's nice to see duels where only in the last minute one can see who is the clear winner.
The fun of the early stages in the polls is the amount of albums.
The fun in the later stages of the polls is seeing all the photo finish duels between the best of the best.


yeah...  the tweak we did.. leaving out the populars by the big heavies is really paying off now.

Much like the battle of the bands.. the early rounds herewere great.. but due to enivitablity of the last ones standing..  it lost a bit LOT of steam.

here.. sh*t man... there are at least 12 albums there IMO. A third.. that have (had prior to 3rd round winnowing)  realistic chances to win the tournament.  A lot of quality.. and less of the fanboy idol worhips attached to some bands and albums.  We will have to suffer Hachett in lieu of Genesis.. but like any forum.. every contest needs the character that wears the black hat.  Gives you something to root against LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2015 at 14:51
my favorite modern albums took it in the ass from the forumites here  only one of my top 4 escaped the first round LOL

however that one is one of the few SWilson/PT albums capable of wining the whole thing.. ie beating one or both.

Talk talk baby...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2015 at 07:19
Of my four top 10 albums still in the competition

Ommadawn looks ok to advance & if it makes it to the quarters will probably fall to VDGG or Camel
 If Rotters Club gets past Rush (I still expect legions of Rush-head to appear this week) it will probably make the Quarters then it's a crapshoot with YS, Hot Rats, PG3.

My other two, Cuex Du Dehors & Western Culture are currently pounding on each other and will probably get trampled by Hackett in the next round.

On the Moderns side I have bands I like in pretty much every match up except Gazpacho - Beardfish (dear god), and IQ - Talk Talk (where I'll go TT)

I'm dreading Pendragon going deep as they keep matching up against 'difficult' albums that probably switch a lot of middle ground people off. (UneXpect, U Totem and possibly Guapo)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2015 at 06:38
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Only in 5 polls of the 16 in this round of classic polls, my favorite is winning Shocked
Well, it's still early in the week, um... Ermm


and many WAY WAY too close to call..

look at that bottom of the bracket... 6 of 8 polls with margins 3 or less.

even more fun... look at the bottom 4... TOTAL vote margin...

2 votes.

wide frickin open...Clap

yeah...  I have 3 album in my top 20 still left... all 3 appear to be on to the 4th round baring major major movement.  My 4th favorite ... in a complete dogfight with another classic and fellow member of my top 100 list.

We knew as the tournament went on.. the choices would get harder.. nice to see the polls reflect it.  Makes me think we did a damn good job selecting these things.. as much of who we included.. in who we did NOT include.

Right, my faves will defend themselves with vehemence, I'm sure LOL
Yes, it's nice to see duels where only in the last minute one can see who is the clear winner.
The fun of the early stages in the polls is the amount of albums.
The fun in the later stages of the polls is seeing all the photo finish duels between the best of the best.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2015 at 06:26
Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Only in 5 polls of the 16 in this round of classic polls, my favorite is winning Shocked
Well, it's still early in the week, um... Ermm


and many WAY WAY too close to call..

look at that bottom of the bracket... 6 of 8 polls with margins 3 or less.

even more fun... look at the bottom 4... TOTAL vote margin...

2 votes.

wide frickin open...Clap

yeah...  I have 3 album in my top 20 still left... all 3 appear to be on to the 4th round baring major major movement.  My 4th favorite ... in a complete dogfight with another classic and fellow member of my top 100 list.

We knew as the tournament went on.. the choices would get harder.. nice to see the polls reflect it.  Makes me think we did a damn good job selecting these things.. as much of who we included.. in who we did NOT include.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2015 at 06:26
Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

I still need to vote on

You vs. Octopus (this will be hard)
Low Spark vs. Yeti (don't know Low Spark)
Storia vs. Days (don't know Storia)

Other items of interest:

I'm glad Oldfield is putting the boot into Kansas.
I feel like *that* Squire album should beat *that* Hackett album but it won't.
Pawn Hearts has recovered manfully and should grind Mirage into dust.
Si On Avait Besoin D'Une Cinquieme Saison is ten times the album that Aja is (especially as all the people who think MO is pointless technique vote seem to like Aja, which is smooth and hairless as a statue, and as bloodless too).

My four top albums are currently winning their polls.


Thats funny, I'd describe Si on Avait... the same way. Haven't heard Aja so I'm not going to be voting on that one.
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Only in 5 polls of the 16 in this round of classic polls, my favorite is winning Shocked
Well, it's still early in the week, um... Ermm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2015 at 03:53
I still need to vote on

You vs. Octopus (this will be hard)
Low Spark vs. Yeti (don't know Low Spark)
Storia vs. Days (don't know Storia)

Other items of interest:

I'm glad Oldfield is putting the boot into Kansas.
I feel like *that* Squire album should beat *that* Hackett album but it won't.
Pawn Hearts has recovered manfully and should grind Mirage into dust.
Si On Avait Besoin D'Une Cinquieme Saison is ten times the album that Aja is (especially as all the people who think MO is pointless technique vote seem to like Aja, which is smooth and hairless as a statue, and as bloodless too).

My four top albums are currently winning their polls.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2015 at 18:18
heavy action in the polls today...

shoujld be a great week and weekend as most polls average around 60 votes.. a bit more for the most popular acts.. less for the foreign ones LOL

most polls are already in the 40 to 50 vote range and Progspin is only able to call 3 of the polls. Hachett, Oldfield, Amon Duul II,  and is almost ready to call only a 4th... Hatfield and the North.

a lot of close ones.. and a couple still too close to project this early.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2015 at 10:27
you ain't kidding about that..  Raff and I saw him at Nearfest several years back and that was a fanfrickintastic show.  He is a helluva player and has definitely had some years to work on his songwriting.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2015 at 10:20
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

The Rotters Club would be my darkhorse to reach the final... beating the Camel/VDGG survivor in the semi-final.. then again I could see YS having a good chance against TRC. Very different.. and fans of the more dissonant and aggressive might give the closet of edges to YS in that matchup. 

Reallly  the top half is sort of wide open.. a LOT of great albums... no real shoe'ins.  Then again.. the bottom half is pretty wide open as well. The favorite is in tough fight.. likely the next best album IMO on that side of the bracket is losing..

perhaps that Hatchet album is the dark horse.  LOL what it is doing to a superior Squire album is not only criminal.. and indictment of the forums.. but a clue, no a reminder that the power of Ivan's army of gen-bobbleheads should never be underestimated. 


I honestly think Hackett has benefited so much from the fact that he's just kept making decent interesting music forever. He's a better guitarist than he's ever been and his tastes and ideas have been expanding constantly up until his most recent album, which isn't something you can say for any of the other classic prog musicians. Also a *beautiful* classical guitarist and great arranger.

I think Voyage is an OK instrumental prog rock album and Spectral Mornings is a little better but I think part of the reason they're so well liked is that Hackett's more or less just got better since that lull in the 80s.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2015 at 09:43
The Rotters Club would be my darkhorse to reach the final... beating the Camel/VDGG survivor in the semi-final.. then again I could see YS having a good chance against TRC. Very different.. and fans of the more dissonant and aggressive might give the closet of edges to YS in that matchup. 

Reallly  the top half is sort of wide open.. a LOT of great albums... no real shoe'ins.  Then again.. the bottom half is pretty wide open as well. The favorite is in tough fight.. likely the next best album IMO on that side of the bracket is losing..

perhaps that Hatchet album is the dark horse.  LOL what it is doing to a superior Squire album is not only criminal.. and indictment of the forums.. but a clue, no a reminder that the power of Ivan's army of gen-bobbleheads should never be underestimated. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2015 at 08:08
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

well it seems... a full day in.. only two of the 16 are runaways...  Oldfield and the Hatchet album.  Just following results as I do.. it seems there are two main surges.. of course the first day surge.. where generally half the votes will come in. Then by the first of the week the 2nd bulk set has tended to come in.. from people that actually have lives and weren't hanging around the forum today haha. Generally by Monday you know the ones that are over.. and the ones that will go to the last votes.

I'm not really a fan of that VDGG album.. both Raff and I adore other albums from them.. however.. if they don't lose to Camel I think they go all the way to the final...  I had picked Octopus to face them but they appear to be setting up to being in a dogfight with Gong... and think they could have a real fight with the PFM album if they both make the Quarterfinals but PFM has a hard road getting past the Moodies then likely the Supertramp album.

Really there are only two albums I'd vote for over in any in the field.

YS actually has a decent chance to make the semi-finals.. I do think it matches up well against either Zappa or PG in the 4th round as well as against any of the 4 possible opponents it might face in the QF's. It is one of the few RPI albums that has a fame that transcends it being an 'Italian album' due to its sheer ferocity, uniqueness, and its pretty much generally considered status as one of the (if not THE) greatest prog (rock) keyboard album ever made.

Palepoli?  Don't like its chances as much..  granted I didn't think Mirage would beat Pawn Hearts but definitely wouldn't have thought Palepoli would. Perhaps it would have even less chance against Mirage.. while Camel is a far inferior group to VDGG.. Mirage doesn't have the warts or turn-offs Pawn Hearts does.  Either way... it would be a fun matchup just to rally the anti-Camel forces and pull a Wild Bunch finale out of that matchp and go down with the guns a blazin'.


Of my three favourites - I think Palepoli is going to get eaten alive by the Camel, or edged out by VDGG (I think the people who don't like odd albums could just not vote there, which'd make it closer). Rock Bottom is likely to lose to Voyage of the Acolyte if it makes it through (Voyage isn't even a great Hackett album imho; a lot of his recent stuff is leagues ahead of it in playing and composition). If The Rotters Club gets past Rush I think it could go very far indeed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 08 2015 at 20:59
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

no ties this week.....

here are the updated modern brackets... 3rd round to go next weekend

some interesting matchups.. not quite as killer as the classics.. but then again.. those are the classics LOL

http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=459422




now the 3rd round here has some really neat matchups..

the one I'll be curious to see play out...

Anglagard v. TFKoE
Radiohead v. GBS
Phideaux v. Ozric Tentacles
Tool v. PT
IQ v. Talk Talk

early vegas odds..

Angalgard (-5.5) over TFKoE
SWilson (-15.5) over Koenji Hyakkei
DCD (-8.5) over Guapo
Pendragon (10.5) over UTotem
Beardfish (-8.5) over Gazpacho
Anekdoten (-11.5) over iamthemorning
Mr. Bungle (-3.5) over Maudlin of the Well
Radiohead (-9.5) over GBS
TMV (-4.5) over GY!BE
Discipline (-6.5) over RIverside
Miasma & the Carousel of Headless Horses (-5.5) over Ske
Opeth (-14.5) over Jean Louis
Ozric Tentacles (-2.5) over Snowtorch
PT (-5.5) over Tool
Talk Talk (8.5) over IQ
Swans (-9.5) over Kevin Gilbert

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 08 2015 at 20:16
well it seems... a full day in.. only two of the 16 are runaways...  Oldfield and the Hatchet album.  Just following results as I do.. it seems there are two main surges.. of course the first day surge.. where generally half the votes will come in. Then by the first of the week the 2nd bulk set has tended to come in.. from people that actually have lives and weren't hanging around the forum today haha. Generally by Monday you know the ones that are over.. and the ones that will go to the last votes.

I'm not really a fan of that VDGG album.. both Raff and I adore other albums from them.. however.. if they don't lose to Camel I think they go all the way to the final...  I had picked Octopus to face them but they appear to be setting up to being in a dogfight with Gong... and think they could have a real fight with the PFM album if they both make the Quarterfinals but PFM has a hard road getting past the Moodies then likely the Supertramp album.

Really there are only two albums I'd vote for over in any in the field.

YS actually has a decent chance to make the semi-finals.. I do think it matches up well against either Zappa or PG in the 4th round as well as against any of the 4 possible opponents it might face in the QF's. It is one of the few RPI albums that has a fame that transcends it being an 'Italian album' due to its sheer ferocity, uniqueness, and its pretty much generally considered status as one of the (if not THE) greatest prog (rock) keyboard album ever made.

Palepoli?  Don't like its chances as much..  granted I didn't think Mirage would beat Pawn Hearts but definitely wouldn't have thought Palepoli would. Perhaps it would have even less chance against Mirage.. while Camel is a far inferior group to VDGG.. Mirage doesn't have the warts or turn-offs Pawn Hearts does.  Either way... it would be a fun matchup just to rally the anti-Camel forces and pull a Wild Bunch finale out of that matchp and go down with the guns a blazin'.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

through my experiences Rob.. I think the results in some will look very different in a day or two. Many albums have surged forward or kept pace only to fall Way off the pace. There is a large silent majorty which votes later.  I still think VDGG will pull away.. less than a third of the votes I've noted.. actually are registered via comment. There is a large pool of voters out there yet to vote.  I still think VDGG wins it and pull away. Same with PG3.. believe that album has a large number of faceless voters still in its corner.

will be interesting to see what results look like ..say Monday morning..


Yeah, I don't think it's a sure thing or anything, but I think tragically of all the albums here Mirage is the most likely to beat Pawn Hearts, because it'll pick up the votes that something brilliant like Third or Palepoli won't through not really confronting people, and because it's obvious British symphonic prog, more people know it. If Camel doesn't stop it I can't think what will.

I think I can count three things that'd definitely get my vote over Pawn Hearts as a die-hard VDGG fan. None of them are f**king Camel LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 08 2015 at 15:07
through my experiences Rob.. I think the results in some will look very different in a day or two. Many albums have surged forward or kept pace only to fall Way off the pace. There is a large silent majorty which votes later.  I still think VDGG will pull away.. less than a third of the votes I've noted.. actually are registered via comment. There is a large pool of voters out there yet to vote.  I still think VDGG wins it and pull away. Same with PG3.. believe that album has a large number of faceless voters still in its corner.

will be interesting to see what results look like ..say Monday morning..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 08 2015 at 14:55
Aja (pick 'em) over  Si Avait Besoin D'Une Cinquième Saison
Ommadawn (-8.5) over Leftoverture
Palepoli (-5.5) over A Salty Dog
Pawn Hearts (-11.5) over Mirage
Birds of Fire (-6.5) over Illusions On A Double Dimple
Farewell to KIngs (-2.5) over The Rotters Club
YS (-8.5) over Caravanseri
PG3 (-5,5) over Hot Rats
Western Culture (-3.5) over 
Ceux Du Dehors
Voyage of the Acolyte (-7.5) over Fish Out of Water
Yeti (-10.5) over The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys
Rock Bottom (-8.5) over Darwin
Third (-3.5) over 
Scheherazade and Other Stories
Octopus (-9.5) over You
Crime of the Century (-8.5) over Uomo di Pezza
Storia di un Minuto (-9.5) over Days of Future Passed

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Rats fighting in a ditch. It's glorious. I expect Mirage can beat Pawn Hearts if only because it's an album incapable of offending anyone and is just about solid enough that noone will feel terrible for voting for it over the genuine groundbreaking stuff that confuses them. I would *love* Uomo di Pezza to beat Crime.
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