SR V: To boldly go where no room has gone before

Then I definitely need to get it. 

James wrote: That's an amazing record. If someone was to ask me what prog was.  I'd ask them to listen to Khan's Space Shanty.

From what I've heard about it, I think I'd really enjoy it. Although other than Gong, Wyatt, both Hatfield albums, solo Hillage, and occasionally Caravan, I don't have much in the way of Canterbury. It's a genre I really need to dig into.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: James wrote: birdwithteeth11 wrote: on Heavy Devy. Right now I only have Terria, Ziltoid, and Synchestra (and SYL's Alien) but I really want to expand further. I really like all 4 of them, with Ziltoid probably being my favorite. Synchestra is rather average. Compared to the other three, I would agree. It almost feels like pop metal at times and while I know Devin tends to give his solo albums a lighter and airy feel, that one feels too happy.

I've only heard Synchestra.

I've seen SYL live though.

That's an amazing record.

If someone was to ask me what prog was.  I'd ask them to listen to Khan's Space Shanty.

Also, I really need "Space Shanty" by Khan.

Isn't that a Tina Turner song? 

Alitare wrote: I like Elton John. Hold me closer, Tony Danza!

Padraic wrote: Keppa4v wrote: Padraic wrote: Afternoon Pekka, how's it going? Very fine thank you very much  Back from work, relaxing with some DS (though the drum kit looks at me temptingly...), I'm going to have some delicious falafel goodies today. I almost bought Piirpauke's second album last weekend, but ended up putting it back. Probably will some day quite soon... mmm falafel Yeah, Piirpauke was very good.  I'll have to see if I can hunt down a proper album from them instead of the compilation I have. From your country, though, my favorite is definitely Höyry-Kone.  Topi Lehtipuu is such an unbelievable vocalist.

Try Circle.  They're an interesting band and you may like some of their stuff.  They're also a tad hit and miss too though.

rushfan4 wrote: ADII's Yeti is one of my least favorite albums in my collection.  When I listened to it a couple of months ago it was a little better than I had remembered it, but I still thought that the vocals were just dreadful.   As far as Dire Straits goes, I do support their addition to Prog Related strictly based on Love Over Gold and a few other proggy moments scattered throughout their discography, however, I won't lose any sleep over it if they are rejected.

I love Yeti... think the vocals have a far-off, bleak, atmospherically foreign feel. I can understand why you wouldn't like them, though. I think Wolf City is a much more focussed effort, but if you don't like the vocals on Yeti, you probably wouldn't like that much more.

Pretty much. My issue is more when people agree an album would qualify and then say it's ridiculous for a band to be included, or when folk insist on answering without at all engaging with the subject matter of the thread/support for the suggestion. I don't even mind a 'yeah, I see nothing prog about Love Over Gold' response, but it's kind of frustrating when someone pops along and says something along the lines of, 'Dire Straits, that's ridiculous... how about STING!!!! YOU'RE ALL TRYING TO ADD BANDS JUST BECAUSE YOU LIKE THEM!' without really looking at the arguments in favour of them being added.

Again, I'd be fine with and understand them being rejected... but I'd like the possibility of a little reasonable discussion and I'd be happier if I was convinced they were being continually rejected for the right reasons in the future.

I know people often quote the mission of the site as being the ultimate "prog resource", but are we honestly losing any credibility by not having Dire Straits listed here, despite even a single album's possible prog credentials?  With the full discog rule I think such things ultimately create too many headaches.  And I think prog-related has gotten beyond the scope of its intention anyway, mostly because there's disgareement on what purpose it should serve in the first place.

That's a very fair point, but I think the problem lies rather in the hazy nature of prog-related - I see it as a sort of place upheld for the sake of completeness - including bands or efforts which are evidently linked to the genre, but can't really be said to have been part of the prog movement, or are simply so oddball in nature that they can't fit into a category here. Hence, LOG would fit perfectly in my conception of what that genre's good for, while I'm not convinced that even the admin team or M@X are 100% certain how inclusive they want that subgenre to be.

I don't think we'd lose any credibility by having them listed in prog related, either, as long as there's a clear statement for why they might be included... that said, I think the full discography rule is an understandable source of frustration - it's just better than the alternative.

I don't think so. They certainly are more complex than what would constitute an extended pop song (with an AABA-AABA structure). They're not structured avant, but they're definitely not structured pop. I'd actually say Yes's compositions are one of the most representative examples of artistic rock, or what we call prog rock.

I think one of the most interesting comments about Close To The Edge is that it is a genuine 20-minute pop song. Not a segue of different songs, not particularly given to wandering solos, though they are in there every now and then, but I think the pop structure still comes through. That's what makes it so unique... don't think anyone else has even tried that... again, a pop structure isn't necessarily preventing a song being prog. About TGOD, bit of a structural/dynamic crib off A Saucerful Of Secrets, according to The Big Mick, and I'm inclined to agree with him. (not at all relevant to Dire Straits really, though, to be fair, I think prog was in itself an extension of rock... also, jamming/soloing isn't really necessarily 'not prog'... I think you only need to put on a Hawkwind or AD II or Caravan album to see that... maybe Atomic Rooster as well).

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To be fair, I think it's unreasonable to expect all suggestions to match the sheer originality and groundbreaking nature of the four or five big 'progressive acts'... they simply can't. I certainly don't think any Marillion album I have would be immune to being called 'essentially a load of rock songs with a bit of art here and there', or equally, say, Uriah Heep's most progressive efforts don't reflect a huge amount of groundbreaking work. Nonetheless, they're both included in relatively 'obvious' progressive rock bands.

/I'm not continuing the DS argument in here, btw... just trying to get a couple of relevant things said that would at best muddy and at worst derail the suggestion thread.

Epignosis wrote: Alitare wrote: Well, I have a small penis.  You know, that cheered me up a little Sorry about your member though.

What are friends for? I'd belittle my member if it would cheer you up.

Plus, don't expect too much out of me, I've been up for almost 30 hours, and am a bit incongruous.